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Evaluating and mitigating the growing risk of LLM-discovered 0-days

62 pointsby 7mo agored.anthropic.com
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7mo agoHN ↗

Yeah, having a layer of human experts to sanity check and weed out hallucinated false positive issues seems like an important part of this process:

To ensure that Claude hadn’t hallucinated bugs (i.e., invented problems that don’t exist, a problem that increasingly is placing an undue burden on open source developers), we validated every bug extensively before reporting it. [...] for our initial round of findings, our own security researchers validated each vulnerability and wrote patches by hand. As the volume of findings grew, we brought in external (human) security researchers to help with validation and patch development.

Based on the experiences shared by curl's maintainers over the last couple of years, resulting in them ending their bug bounty program [1] [2] [3], I'd suggest the "growing risk of LLM-discovered [security issues]" is primarily maintainers being buried under a deluge of low-effort zero-value LLM-hallucinated false positive security issue reports, where the reporter copy-pastes LLM output without validation.

[1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/02/03/open-source-security-...

[2] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/01/26/the-end-of-the-curl-b...

[3] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/07/14/death-by-a-thousand-s...

7mo agoHN ↗

Ending a bug bounty program seems like a mistake.

Why not just change the incentives? Don't pay for patches. Move the money over to human review of the infinite cesspool with an emphasis on how the findings are presented. Maintainers rank and filter by how concise the reviews are and how critical the bugs are. Stop allowing wide open pull requests for bugs and make that it's own new workflow.

Bugs rarely happen in isolation and many are regressions. Many are related to features added or refactors. Fixing bugs should be more about understanding the nature of the project than just playing whack-a-mole. LLMs don't have as good of a memory as humans and much of the meta discussion would be out-of-band for the LLMs. We shouldn't be paying for monkey work. We should be paying the humans that deeply understand "the lore" of the project and can apply it in a meaningful way.

In the first place, it's a long time coming that some maintainers feel the pressure to take the direction of the projects more seriously, and in some cases let others step up. So many open source projects need to be stop being the stereotype of lone genius pet projects or cultish power grabs. When people whine about open source not getting paid, this is the real reason why. It's not that the money or value isn't there, but a lack of confidence in the maintainers.

7mo agoHN ↗

Grepping for strcat() is at the "forefront of cybersecurity"? The other one that applied a GitHub comment to a different location does not look too difficult either.

Everything that comes out of Anthropic is just noise but their marketing team is unparalleled.

7mo agoHN ↗

Did they discover a vulnerability or not?

7mo agoHN ↗

This reads like an advertisement for Anthropic, not a technical article.

7mo agoHN ↗

Okay, so if that’s the case, what do you have that’s constructive to say about it?

7mo agoHN ↗

Their comment was constructive for me, now I’m not going to read the article.

7mo agoHN ↗

Is there a polymarket on the first billion dollar AI company to 0$ by their own insecure Model deployment?

7mo agoHN ↗

The post is light on details, and I agree with the sentiment that it reads like marketing. That said, Opus 4.6 is actually a legitimate step up in capability for security research, and the red team at Anthropic – who wrote this post – are sincere in their efforts to demonstrate frontier risks.

Opus 4.6 is a very eager model that doesn't give up easily. Yesterday, Opus 4.6 took the initiative to aggressively fuzz a public API of a frontier lab I was investigating, and it found a real vulnerability after 100+ uninterrupted tool calls. That would have required lots of of prodding with previous models.

If you want to experience this directly, I'd recommend recording network traffic while using a web app, and then pointing Claude Code at the results (in Chrome, this is Dev Tools > Network > Export HAR). It makes for hours of fun, but it's also a bit scary.

7mo agoHN ↗

This is actually a good concrete example of how to use AI for pen testing (which I've never had time to look at, so I realise it may be common). The issue I'm struggling with is cost - to point O4.6 at network logs, and have it explore...how may tokens/money do you burn?

7mo agoHN ↗

How much would you pay a pen tester and/or appsec engineer to review your web app? I think it probably evens out.

(I’m not suggesting replacing either with opus, but just trying to put the cost into perspective)

7mo agoHN ↗

"Evaluating and mitigating the growing risk of LLM-developed 0-days" would be much more interesting and useful. Try harder, guys.

7mo agoHN ↗

Our view is this is a moment to move quickly—to empower defenders and secure as much code as possible while the window exists.

Yawn.

7mo agoHN ↗

I just tested this using Calude and at least with 4.5 this does not seem to be possible. The context grows very quickly and the LLM gets lost and starts hallucinating. Maybe I am missing some key ingredient here?

Of course, if you have large team of AI and security experts and an unlimited token budget things can look different.