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Iran school bombing: grounds to believe US was behind atrocity, UN finds

119 pointsby 2h agotheguardian.com
48 comments
1h agoHN ↗

Yes which is why this is an uninteresting thread

1h agoHN ↗

Well the US government tried to deny it was a school at first, so that's put to bed at least.

1h agoHN ↗

Yeah if I remember it was Iranian tomahawks that caused it.

(Edit: I am merely relaying what they said, not that I in anyway subscribe to it)

1h agoHN ↗

I remember that too. Initially they tried to go the "Iran caused this". Then the analysis quickly showed that it were US weapons. Suddenly the "Iran caused this" narrative disappeared. There are professional liars in media. Their job is to lie and obfuscate.

49m agoHN ↗

the analysis quickly showed

Wasn't the analysis a literal image with the Tomahawk caught mid air, clearly identifiable?

1h agoHN ↗

The US even said it was Iran who did it. The US has literally become the least trustworthy nation in the world by lying about everything, threatening to go to war against allies for no other reason than wanting the land...

1h agoHN ↗

Trump claimed it was an accident. Then again he seems to be similar to Putin: both lie almost all of the time.

Edit: Actually, others pointed out that at first the narrative was that Iran did it. That's indeed true that the media used that; perhaps one can even build up a timestamp of media reporting falseness here. I forgot which media reported the above lie first.

1h agoHN ↗

The trump defenders are oddly quiet in this thread.

1h agoHN ↗

They’d like us to believe otherwise (the administration)

1h agoHN ↗

failed to adequately verify the information before launching the strike

I'm so proud to be an American today :-(

1h agoHN ↗

You can also be proud that your country is about to send another 40-60 thousand 1 ton bombs for free to a country that used the previous lesser sized free batch to kill 20 thousnad children in the most horrific ways imaginable.

I guess it was judged a success so more was deemed appropriate.

1h agoHN ↗

Then do something about it - inform yourself about the other days.

The USA has been dropping bombs on innocent people on average for the past 25 years every 15 minutes.

The only force capable of reining in the US’ out of control military industrial complex, is the American people themselves. Until they do, the atrocities continue unabated.

1h agoHN ↗

I can't even get the government to take masked federal agents off my streets, how the hell am I going to rein (not reign) in the military industrial complex?

1h agoHN ↗

I can’t stop them from tracking our posts to use against us under NPSM7 at some point in the future.

1h agoHN ↗

Don’t use political violence, intimidation, and domestic terror.

Use your democracy while you still can.

1h agoHN ↗

Indeed, it may be too late for you to do anything effective about it.

What the war criminals that have run your country for decades have done to other nations, they are now going to do to yours.

Protest, inform yourself, demand that your peers are informed, and do not for one instance just let apathy rule. Get out there on the streets every single time, write your representatives, use whatever tepid remains of your ‘democracy’ you have left. Divest yourself of any investments in the military industrial complex - and be damned sure you don’t support it, in any way whatsoever.

Demand justice for your own war criminals at a higher pitch and tempo than the call to eradicate cultures deemed inferior by those very war criminals.

What they do to other nations they will do to yours. Never forget this.

1h agoHN ↗

It's not gonna be low-stakes protests like No Kings, I'll tell you that.

35m agoHN ↗

Don't you guys have your famous 2nd amendment to protect your democracy from tyrants?

3m agoHN ↗

Get involved with your local dems at a grassroots level, and help break the incumbents that are hell-bent on maintaining the status quo. You need fresh faces in congress that don't believe it's all just a game.

31m agoHN ↗

Well the girls in the school that the US bombed were innocent.

1h agoHN ↗

Better late than never to look past the propaganda, I guess.

1h agoHN ↗

let me guess, the end result of this will be "strong condemnation"?

1h agoHN ↗

While vacationing in Colorado I was approached by a young man and woman who wanted to tell me about Christianity, towards the end I told them that I do no view Christians in America as good people as group, and gave them various reasons why, the support of Trump being a main reason. Supporting someone so overtly evil while pretending to be righteous and godly was clearly contradictory to me, the whole situation caused me to view religious people not as misinformed but actively disingenuous (those smart enough to know better anyway). He snapped back with "OBAMA BOMBED A SCHOOL"

Which, at the time I thought, yes its bad that US presidents almost all are willing to do war when it isn't a good idea, but Obama isn't the president right now and I think you can expect Trump to bomb some schools too man.

and here we are.

As an side, fuck every single person here that supported or made excuses for the GOP in the last two decades, I will never forgive you.

1h agoHN ↗

That's his half brother Obamna, Trump made the same mistake

46m agoHN ↗

the classic gotcha that doesn't work on outsiders that don't care about the partisan devide. All US presidents going back for quite a while are war criminals.

1h agoHN ↗

ECHR, UN and ECJ will find any and everything as crime against humanity so it is best to ignore them and make your own judgement. It is like asking ADL if something is antisemitism or SPLC if something is racism - the answer will always be yes, so why bother.

42m agoHN ↗

Oh ok, so then how do you qualify this event? As whoopsie? A misclick?

34m agoHN ↗

Okay. My own judgement is targeting strikes on an elementary school full of hundreds of school children is a war crime.

Do you not want to see accountability for that? Are you not pro-life?

1h agoHN ↗

GPS spies on everyone. Flock cameras too. Meta-spy glasses continue that trend.

Now officials tell the public "we used old maps" when bombing a school with kids. That's a deliberate lie. It wastes our time to even want to lend any credibility to wanting to believe such a lie.

55m agoHN ↗

GPS spies on everyone.

That's... not how GPS works.

45m agoHN ↗

Whenever I read the US or Israel wanting to free Iran from it's "horrible regime", remember this incident plus the hospitals targeted during their attack.

7m agoHN ↗

And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. And the continual killing of Iranian citizens having differing political options of the regime.

War is never pretty or perfect. Winning a war comes with great cost

5m agoHN ↗

And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. And the continual killing of Iranian citizens having differing political options of the regime

So, that's over, then? We changed the regime and now things are better?

44m agoHN ↗

I hope it was not deliberate but it may have been. Blowing up the kids of military generals is a strategic move when you ignore the "rules of war".

43m agoHN ↗

Wasn't it right next to a military base, and previously used as part of that military base? And therefore a reasonable part of the targeting list that should've gotten more scrutiny but just didn't?

This feels like someone wanted to slander the US military actions, could only find one unambiguously negative thing, so then they pontificated on that.

24m agoHN ↗

I don’t understand your attitude. The slaughter of hundreds of children seems genuinely inherently upsetting and unacceptable to me. I don’t see why an element of negligence would make this something to just “not pontificate on” in a court of law or in public discourse.

19m agoHN ↗

This feels like someone wanted to slander the US military actions, could only find one unambiguously negative thing, so then they pontificated on that.

If a soldier on the ground had called in the airstrike, there is a good chance they would be in military prison.

The fact that the administration itself did it means nothing will happen.

Always know what you're shooting at, especially if it changed purposes over a decade ago.

33m agoHN ↗

Yes because normal people have tomahawks they can shoot to schools in their basements, and it required a court to find out who was responsible: United States, Dr. Evil, or the Cookie Monster?

32m agoHN ↗

I don't know, Cookie Monster is pretty suspicious. Never trust a junkie.

22m agoHN ↗

Yes but I'm sure there was oil under the school and it was all for the best. After all "it’s more fun doing it this way."

28m agoHN ↗

So... what's gonna be done about it? The recent precedent has been to invade the country, grab the president and try them.