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Iran school bombing: grounds to believe US was behind atrocity, UN finds

137 pointsby 3h agotheguardian.com
70 comments
2h agoHN ↗

Yes which is why this is an uninteresting thread

2h agoHN ↗

Well the US government tried to deny it was a school at first, so that's put to bed at least.

2h agoHN ↗

Yeah if I remember it was Iranian tomahawks that caused it.

(Edit: I am merely relaying what they said, not that I in anyway subscribe to it)

2h agoHN ↗

I remember that too. Initially they tried to go the "Iran caused this". Then the analysis quickly showed that it were US weapons. Suddenly the "Iran caused this" narrative disappeared. There are professional liars in media. Their job is to lie and obfuscate.

1h agoHN ↗

the analysis quickly showed

Wasn't the analysis a literal image with the Tomahawk caught mid air, clearly identifiable?

2h agoHN ↗

The US even said it was Iran who did it. The US has literally become the least trustworthy nation in the world by lying about everything, threatening to go to war against allies for no other reason than wanting the land...

16m agoHN ↗

The US has literally become the least trustworthy nation in the world by lying about everything

Cool. Is Nvidia stock still a good buy? Or should I buy European index funds?

There’s your “trustworthiness” answer.

2m agoHN ↗

Well, if the map image I saw initially after the bombing was correct, then the facility did not used to be a school. The building had different, military purposes as it was attached to a military base, and later was converted into a school. My understanding is that the AI that was used to facilitate this attack was trained on maps where the building was still used for military purposes some years back.

It absolutely does not excuse anything, but I suppose that might explain the denial at first. I cannot explain any further denial though.

2h agoHN ↗

Trump claimed it was an accident. Then again he seems to be similar to Putin: both lie almost all of the time.

Edit: Actually, others pointed out that at first the narrative was that Iran did it. That's indeed true that the media used that; perhaps one can even build up a timestamp of media reporting falseness here. I forgot which media reported the above lie first.

2h agoHN ↗

The trump defenders are oddly quiet in this thread.

14m agoHN ↗

The trump defenders are oddly quiet in this thread.

Why would the winning team convince the losing team they won?

Do you see Anthropic/OpenAI engineers defending against Meta/Google SWEs?

1h agoHN ↗

They’d like us to believe otherwise (the administration)

14m agoHN ↗

Colloquially, I think it is well accepted that US launched the missiles. The question is whether they indiscriminately targeted civilians.

NYT did an excellent analysis showing that the US probably did intentionally target the building, believing it to be part of the nearby compound that received several direct strikes. This analysis is really good [1]

The definition of war crime is not "Killed civilians" it is "targeted civilians" or "reckless indiscriminate attacks". My understanding of the NYT analysis is that this was very plausibly misunderstood to still be part of the iran national guard compound.

Everyone gets their own opinion on this. There were 900 or so strikes in the first 12h, and only one school hit, and that school was actually part of the compound before. A horrific accident that was brought on by unnecessary hostilities, i think.

1: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-m...

2h agoHN ↗

failed to adequately verify the information before launching the strike

I'm so proud to be an American today :-(

2h agoHN ↗

You can also be proud that your country is about to send another 40-60 thousand 1 ton bombs for free to a country that used the previous lesser sized free batch to kill 20 thousnad children in the most horrific ways imaginable.

I guess it was judged a success so more was deemed appropriate.

2h agoHN ↗

Then do something about it - inform yourself about the other days.

The USA has been dropping bombs on innocent people on average for the past 25 years every 15 minutes.

The only force capable of reining in the US’ out of control military industrial complex, is the American people themselves. Until they do, the atrocities continue unabated.

2h agoHN ↗

I can't even get the government to take masked federal agents off my streets, how the hell am I going to rein (not reign) in the military industrial complex?

2h agoHN ↗

I can’t stop them from tracking our posts to use against us under NPSM7 at some point in the future.

2h agoHN ↗

Don’t use political violence, intimidation, and domestic terror.

Use your democracy while you still can.

40m agoHN ↗

You can still vote this government out and organize your community to help with that. Remember the three boxes - soap, ballot, and ammo. You still haven't exhausted box #1 and should use box #2 really well this year.

Tyrants feed on the belief they can't be removed.

2h agoHN ↗

Indeed, it may be too late for you to do anything effective about it.

What the war criminals that have run your country for decades have done to other nations, they are now going to do to yours.

Protest, inform yourself, demand that your peers are informed, and do not for one instance just let apathy rule. Get out there on the streets every single time, write your representatives, use whatever tepid remains of your ‘democracy’ you have left. Divest yourself of any investments in the military industrial complex - and be damned sure you don’t support it, in any way whatsoever.

Demand justice for your own war criminals at a higher pitch and tempo than the call to eradicate cultures deemed inferior by those very war criminals.

What they do to other nations they will do to yours. Never forget this.

2h agoHN ↗

It's not gonna be low-stakes protests like No Kings, I'll tell you that.

1h agoHN ↗

Don't you guys have your famous 2nd amendment to protect your democracy from tyrants?

48m agoHN ↗

No that’s just for school shootings and LARPers.

39m agoHN ↗

Only local tyranny, like the county government.

48m agoHN ↗

Get involved with your local dems at a grassroots level, and help break the incumbents that are hell-bent on maintaining the status quo. You need fresh faces in congress that don't believe it's all just a game.

39m agoHN ↗

Get involved with your local dems at a grassroots level, and help break the incumbents that are hell-bent on maintaining the status quo.

First time?

44m agoHN ↗

how the hell am I going to rein (not reign) in the military industrial complex?

Make sure to vote in this November! Encourage your friends and family to do so as well. Start a YouTube channel; get yourself heard. Reach out to DNC, obviously red party is not an option, tell them you want to help with outreach.

42m agoHN ↗

Make sure to vote in this November!

Make sure to vote blue in this November!

1h agoHN ↗

Well the girls in the school that the US bombed were innocent.

2h agoHN ↗

Better late than never to look past the propaganda, I guess.

43m agoHN ↗

I am very sorry this is happening to your country. I hope you manage to fix it.

25m agoHN ↗

You should feel angry, and you should be channeling that anger into constructive action.

For now, this means voting Democrat and supporting Democrats for office.

Donald Trump has turned the Republican party into a cult of personality to support a kleptocracy. The GOP is no longer the party of conservative values. The rule of law, respect for traditional mores or institutions, and personal integrity have all been defenestrated by the Trump administration.

Are the Democrats perfect? Of course not. But under the current system, the United States has a zero-sum two party system, and this means voting for one of the two parties. Making room for third parties means adjusting the rules (eg. ranked choice voting, or other). These ideas are worth pursuing. As long as we're stuck in a two party system, this means voting for the lesser of two evils.

Nihilists will scoff at this and point to everything wrong that happened under Obama or Biden. They'll says Democrats are no better than Republicans. They're wrong. At best, they're misguided. At worst, they're actually trying to bring an end to democratic government (that's a lower-case "d" for democracy).

The Democrats are imperfect. The Republican party under the current leadership are far, far worse. It's not even close.

Get out and vote.

2h agoHN ↗

let me guess, the end result of this will be "strong condemnation"?

2h agoHN ↗

While vacationing in Colorado I was approached by a young man and woman who wanted to tell me about Christianity, towards the end I told them that I do no view Christians in America as good people as group, and gave them various reasons why, the support of Trump being a main reason. Supporting someone so overtly evil while pretending to be righteous and godly was clearly contradictory to me, the whole situation caused me to view religious people not as misinformed but actively disingenuous (those smart enough to know better anyway). He snapped back with "OBAMA BOMBED A SCHOOL"

Which, at the time I thought, yes its bad that US presidents almost all are willing to do war when it isn't a good idea, but Obama isn't the president right now and I think you can expect Trump to bomb some schools too man.

and here we are.

As an side, fuck every single person here that supported or made excuses for the GOP in the last two decades, I will never forgive you.

2h agoHN ↗

That's his half brother Obamna, Trump made the same mistake

1h agoHN ↗

the classic gotcha that doesn't work on outsiders that don't care about the partisan devide. All US presidents going back for quite a while are war criminals.

14m agoHN ↗

Christians aren't bad people. Its just that the older ones (and a few young ones) get their information from terrible sources. They watch Fox News, where every day Trump is presented as the hero fighting against the evil democrats. They don't notice the propaganda like a fish doesn't notice water. Bad inputs bad outputs.

2h agoHN ↗

ECHR, UN and ECJ will find any and everything as crime against humanity so it is best to ignore them and make your own judgement. It is like asking ADL if something is antisemitism or SPLC if something is racism - the answer will always be yes, so why bother.

1h agoHN ↗

Oh ok, so then how do you qualify this event? As whoopsie? A misclick?

1h agoHN ↗

Okay. My own judgement is targeting strikes on an elementary school full of hundreds of school children is a war crime.

Do you not want to see accountability for that? Are you not pro-life?

45m agoHN ↗

ECHR, UN and ECJ will find any and everything as crime against humanity

That doesn't make them automatically wrong. This is clearly a crime against humanity.

It is like asking ADL if something is antisemitism

There is a huge difference between hating Jews and condemning the actions of the Israeli government in occupied Palestine and the support it has from other countries.

2h agoHN ↗

GPS spies on everyone. Flock cameras too. Meta-spy glasses continue that trend.

Now officials tell the public "we used old maps" when bombing a school with kids. That's a deliberate lie. It wastes our time to even want to lend any credibility to wanting to believe such a lie.

1h agoHN ↗

GPS spies on everyone.

That's... not how GPS works.

37m agoHN ↗

GPS spies on everyone.

Point of clarification - GPS/GNSS does not work that way. The GPS in your phone only _listens_ to GPS signals and is not transmitting to/observable by the satellite. https://ciechanow.ski/gps/

1h agoHN ↗

Whenever I read the US or Israel wanting to free Iran from it's "horrible regime", remember this incident plus the hospitals targeted during their attack.

52m agoHN ↗

And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. And the continual killing of Iranian citizens having differing political options of the regime.

War is never pretty or perfect. Winning a war comes with great cost

50m agoHN ↗

And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. And the continual killing of Iranian citizens having differing political options of the regime

So, that's over, then? We changed the regime and now things are better?

12m agoHN ↗

The purpose of starting a war is to extract concessions from the other side that you were unable to get through diplomacy, not to kill a lot of people because you think they deserve it. So far Iran has not been willing to make any concessions that it wasn't willing to make before the start of the war, and has shown that it can disrupt Gulf oil exports.

10m agoHN ↗

And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior.

Yes? How is that a reason to kill even more Iranians, especially schoolgirls?

1h agoHN ↗

I hope it was not deliberate but it may have been. Blowing up the kids of military generals is a strategic move when you ignore the "rules of war".

1h agoHN ↗

Wasn't it right next to a military base, and previously used as part of that military base? And therefore a reasonable part of the targeting list that should've gotten more scrutiny but just didn't?

This feels like someone wanted to slander the US military actions, could only find one unambiguously negative thing, so then they pontificated on that.

1h agoHN ↗

I don’t understand your attitude. The slaughter of hundreds of children seems genuinely inherently upsetting and unacceptable to me. I don’t see why an element of negligence would make this something to just “not pontificate on” in a court of law or in public discourse.

1h agoHN ↗

This feels like someone wanted to slander the US military actions, could only find one unambiguously negative thing, so then they pontificated on that.

If a soldier on the ground had called in the airstrike, there is a good chance they would be in military prison.

The fact that the administration itself did it means nothing will happen.

Always know what you're shooting at, especially if it changed purposes over a decade ago.

1h agoHN ↗

Yes because normal people have tomahawks they can shoot to schools in their basements, and it required a court to find out who was responsible: United States, Dr. Evil, or the Cookie Monster?

1h agoHN ↗

I don't know, Cookie Monster is pretty suspicious. Never trust a junkie.

1h agoHN ↗

Yes but I'm sure there was oil under the school and it was all for the best. After all "it’s more fun doing it this way."

1h agoHN ↗

So... what's gonna be done about it? The recent precedent has been to invade the country, grab the president and try them.

36m agoHN ↗

If anyone else got their hopes up: this was a funny video not a serious reply

37m agoHN ↗

Propaganda machine running on overdrive on this one. Quick quick make some extra accounts to post doubt. Pathetic.

20m agoHN ↗

Propaganda machine running on overdrive on this one. Quick quick make some extra accounts to post doubt. Pathetic.

This is what people actually care about:

- Did my Claude agent finish from last night?

- I need to pay rent this weekend.

- Do I need to pick up the kids today?

Nobody gives a shit about Iran, or the US, for that matter.

The sooner you accept this, the happier you will be.