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Waymo in Singapore

62 pointsby 1h agowaymo.com
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1h agoHN ↗

Must be early in the process, most if not all the photos and graphics where the driving side is visible show North American side driving.

1h agoHN ↗

They are apparently up to two years out from carrying passengers

"Waymo said it will introduce its fully autonomous, all-electric ride-hailing service in Singapore via the Waymo app by 2028.

An initial fleet of all-electric Jaguar I-PACE vehicles is expected to arrive in the coming months, it said.

Mapping and validation activities are scheduled for 2027, with trained autonomous specialists conducting initial manual driving to adapt the Waymo Driver to local road geometry, monsoon weather patterns, and more. "

https://mothership.sg/2026/09/waymo-self-driving-cars-singap...

10m agoHN ↗

Is that super old i-Pace even still in production?

1h agoHN ↗

What do you mean? There’s very few images of a car driving, but the roads seem to be correct. Some of the images are definitely generic marketing copy and not Singapore specific, but it seems fairly obvious which ones.

Unless you mean the steering wheel is on the wrong side, but that seems like it wouldn’t matter for an autonomous vehicle.

1h agoHN ↗

Singapore has the potential to be the first country to eliminate the private ownership of vehicles.

1h agoHN ↗

Singapore will not be the first. Albania banned private vehicle ownership for over 40 years until 1991.

36m agoHN ↗

Singapore would do better banning cars altogether.

17m agoHN ↗

Isn't it better to allow a few luxury cars that are taxed to oblivion? As long as there aren't too many cars, the city can be pleasant, and it's a nice source of revenue.

11m agoHN ↗

Bet you they won't, because many (most?) Singaporeans think that owning a car is somehow a life achievement.

1h agoHN ↗

This thing is DOA if it only does predetermined route, which I think is what's going to happen.

51m agoHN ↗

Why do you think that? Waymo hasn't done that anywhere else.

1h agoHN ↗

A basic commuter car costs over S180,000( US135,000) due to a compulsory 10-year quota license (COE/certificate of entitlement) that alone costs S$100,000+, plus registration taxes scaling up to 320% of the car's base value. Total running costs (tolls, parking, road tax) easily add S1,000–S2,000+ per month.

Singapore is so small though and cabs are cheap and I never needed a car. I can see why Waymo will be very attractive.

58m agoHN ↗

If you never needed a car in Singapore then why is the COE so expensive? COE price is determined from a bidding process.

56m agoHN ↗

I said I never needed a car there :) I can get anywhere by cab in like < 30 mins so I never saw the need to have one. However there are plenty of ultra rich people living there and also many driving luxury cars. It's also a status symbol there(Credit card/Condo/Car).

38m agoHN ↗

The utility of a car in singapore is very different from other places. Yes, a car will get you faster from point A to point B in singapore when compared to public transport. But you can get a private hire car or a taxi which is just as fast and is probably much more convenient.

For many people in Singapore, a car's real utility is to signal status. More often than not, this status gets you real-life benefits. Such as increased dating success.

37m agoHN ↗

interestingly enough though, car ownership, and even having a driver's license is increasingly less common among the young.

33m agoHN ↗

Yes, because when adjusted to car ownership costs, the young have a lower purchasing power when compared to the older generation at the same age back then.

38m agoHN ↗

despite the convenience of a well-run public transport system and uber-like services, the ease and freedom of owning your own transport is still hard to beat, and evidently worth the ~75k dollar COE. it removes the walk from bus/subway stations under the tropical/sun, humidity; and the wait (typically 5-10min) of waiting for your uber/taxi driver to showup and enduring the uber car smell (often heavily scented for some reason and triggers my allergic reaction) and someone else's music. and once you have children a car is almost a must.

34m agoHN ↗

A lot of people get a car when they have kids as taking grab with a car seat can be unwieldy. Also, COE wasn’t always $100K, many people are still on legacy COE when it was $30-$50K

9m agoHN ↗

That's a good call-out actually. I haven't thought of people with kids.

8m agoHN ↗

~$100,000 every 10 years is expensive, but I think even in a lot of countries with good public transport, there would be a large number of people who would consider paying $1,000 a month to be able to have a car if that was the only way to have one. It seems to me as though a lot families share a car quite widely too.

Even in countries without an expensive on-road tax, people do often choose to pay more than $10,000 a year in depreciation cost, rather than the option of buying a car that has already gone through the early, rapid depreciation. People also choose to get a car loan, again increasing the cost. I'm fairly uninformed whether the interest on those is significant.

Of course, the COE is in addition to depreciation and maintenance, and those are both also expensive in Singapore. Plus people buy the cars through loans. And, excluding everything I've said above, the cars themselves are very expensive to buy!

As an example, a 2.0L e:HEV Honda Civic is US$195,000 including the COE, so approximately US$90,000 without it. Looking on the US Honda site, it looks like the same car is under US$33,000. There must some on-road taxes in the US, and difference in specs, but that's a big difference in price, in addition to the ~$100,000 COE.

Even knowing they're expensive, there's something I still can't get over, seeing a 6-figure price across the windscreen of a base model (and knowing you don't get to take off any zeros when doing a currency conversion to what you're used to).

24m agoHN ↗

cabs are cheap

Everyone says that but I've had the opposite experience, possibly due to my location (near Orchard Rd). Can easily pay $15 to essentially go around the corner.

2m agoHN ↗

Can easily pay $15 to essentially go around the corner.

Would it not be better to simply walk if the distance is essentially around the corner?

1m agoHN ↗

How much do you pay for around the corner ride in any comparable large metropolis?

59m agoHN ↗

Singapore is a controlled economy, and has a large workforce for Taxi Drivers and part-time drivers through Grab. I am not sure how the entrenchment of robotaxis like Waymo (and future tesla) is going to play with the general population. My guess, they will co-exist as the government wont jeopardize the living of the taxi-driver-complaining uncles.

Also, I notice a lot new SF based AI companies have started establishing their offices in Singapore too. Sierra, and Fireworks coming to my mind. As government plays a huge part in Singapore, I guess, government noticing these as necessary investments for the future of Singapore.