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AI is an elite crime spree

90 pointsby 2h agothebignewsletter.com
26 comments
1h agoHN ↗

The law, as practiced in the United States, protects but does not bind elites, whereas the law binds but does not protect the lower classes.

1h agoHN ↗

If there is one fundamental problem with our society it is this.

Mercy for the rich. Justice for the poor.

A healthy society does the opposite, those with much should be held to higher standards.

1h agoHN ↗

No, a healthy society shows mercy to the innocent, and enacts justice on the guilty.

1h agoHN ↗

This is a strange statement because by definition the innocent don't need mercy. Mercy is forgiveness for wrongdoing, and refusing to forgive and give mercy to some leads to a society that is cruel. As Thomas Acquinas put it:

justice without mercy is cruelty; mercy without justice is dissolution.

36m agoHN ↗

Yet government wrongs normal people who have done nothing daily. Subjects them to crime through ineffective justice, taxes them, criminalizes behaviour that rational people would consider not to be criminal, etc...

In my country they'll try to prosecute you for longer jail sentences if you criticize the government than if you kill someone...

29m agoHN ↗

taxation is not a wrong. look at places without government, and decide if they have a better standard of living.

24m agoHN ↗

Look at the UAE, no income tax, only 9% corporate tax, GDP per capita higher than most of western Europe, and three of the top ten safest cities in the world (https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-city-rankings/safest...). GDP projected to grow 3% this year in spite of being bombed and having its main export waterway blocked. Literally over 100x lower chance of being sexually assaulted there than in the UK or France.

7m agoHN ↗

Safe?

Human Rights Watch has reported on the country's ongoing unfair mass trials, restrictions of freedom of speech and abuses to migrant labour forces.[217] The annual Freedom House report on Freedom in the World has listed the United Arab Emirates as "Not Free" every year since 1999, the first year for which records are available on their website.[218] In 2025, the country ranked 18 out of 100 in terms of the freedom index, due to a lack of free elections, lack of government transparency and accountability, and a lack of free media and independent judicial system, and low scores against other metrics.[140]

At the same time, the UAE has made it illegal to disseminate online material that can threaten "public order",[375] and hands down prison terms for those who "deride or damage" the reputation of the state and "display contempt" for religion. Journalists who are arrested for violating this law are often brutally beaten by the police.[376]

Freedom of association is also severely curtailed, and in most cases, banned under existing law. In the UAE an association requires twenty individuals, none of which can have previous convictions and must be preauthorized and registered with the government.[219] All associations have to be submitted to censorship guidelines and all publications have first to be approved by the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Ara...

22m agoHN ↗

And yet the same doesn't happen to the rich people doing the same. Which is funny as you ask for exactly that to be the case.

1h agoHN ↗

Which is basically Wilhoit's Law, an attempt to define conservatism.

edit: For those who don't want to look it up, Wilhoit's law is usually stated like this: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

45m agoHN ↗

Life's so much easier when you can just caricature the people you disagree with, innit?

40m agoHN ↗

FWIW I don't agree with Wilhoit, just explaining where the idea came from.

8m agoHN ↗

To back up stvltvs, the OP did more or less just use the one-liner as a zinger. "Protects but doesn't bind X, binds but doesn't protect Y" is the caricature, really. I'm sure you can find more floating examples on HN of it because it is a very lazy, midwit flex that signals the in-group the person spends too much time on the internet.

51m agoHN ↗

Was there ever a time when this was not the case?

20m agoHN ↗

The law, as practiced in the United States, is Schrodinger's law, it magically changes if you observe it.

As an example, if me and 10 others commit the same crime, in the same city, get caught by the same cop, processed by the same judge, even all somehow hire the same lawyer to defend and represent us, I'm willing to bet we would all get completely inconsistent sentencing. None of us need to be politicians or elites either. There's definitely judges who don't care how much money you have, they'll treat you like anyone else, or with extreme prejudice.

1h agoHN ↗

Can we stop acting like selective quoting from discovered materials gives us an unbiased and factual representation of the truth? The plaintiff is always trying to cherry-pick and distort elements from discovered material. And this is exactly why every large corporation without exception tries to train their employees to not draw conclusions of law in discoverable written materials. A computer science professor does not have the requisite knowledge to determine that some act was "theft of labor" nor the knowledge required to contextualize that "in human history".

54m agoHN ↗

Yeah, that some shumck of an executive at Microsoft happens to have had similar sentimental notions as other members of the literati who hate AI is not an "admission" or even a particularly interesting fact.

Given the process by which "meritocratic" elites are usually selected and trained, it would be odd if this wasn't sometimes the case.

1h agoHN ↗

I’d separate two questions here: whether the article’s evidence is representative, and whether the conduct it describes would be tolerated from a smaller company or an individual.

23m agoHN ↗

The article itself answers the second question.

That Aaron Swartz guy was prosecuted so hard for downloading some academic papers, he killed himself.

Meanwhile, AI companies are free to steal literally any content they want and nothing will ever happens with them.

55m agoHN ↗

Who is Matt Stoller? Is he a known quantity?

25m agoHN ↗

Answer above is good, but yes he's a known quantity. I am a political moderate and definitely don't agree with everything he says, but I find his POV (and knowledge of antitrust history) to be a valuable perspective.

29m agoHN ↗

Let’s get into specifics. By far the most important and successful action the FTC took was in 2021, when the commission blocked the merger between AI chipmaker Nvidia and Arm. That set the stage for the growth of both companies, who could focus on their lines of business instead of a cumbersome set of turf wars that accompany mergers. Today, for better or worse, Nvidia is the biggest company in the world by market capitalization, the engine of the AI revolution.

The FTC has nothing to do with NVIDIA's market capitalization.

Literally nobody cares about antitrust except antitrust lawyers. Why? Not because of some conspiracy. There might be a lot of laws on the books, but antitrust is not one of them. The antitrust act is one paragraph long. It is one of the most toxic examples of insufficiency from Congress. So everything in this article about, this is illegal, that is illegal, whatever... it's a matter of opinion. Sherman Antitrust Act is one paragraph long!

12m agoHN ↗

Literally nobody cares about antitrust except antitrust lawyers.

I can't tell if you're playing a character here based on your username or something sadder. Breaking up trusts and monopolies was still seen as an important thing up until Silicon Valley in the 2000s started generating copy about how that may be dated thinking for Internet-native companies.

Look how well that's worked out.

11m agoHN ↗

Most are over-complicating this.

OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta, all were scammed by a firm called Irregular who pinky swore they could handle sandboxing for lots of money. They had no idea how to do sandboxing, and there was obviously no remote attestation to prove they were doing the basics properly.

So then models escape, companies get hacked, and the entire world goes into existential panic.

Guys. Really. Can someone please hire even one linux systems engineer worth a damn? Is everyone in the valley too Apple pilled now to have any capabilities in Linux hardening other than patching stock ubuntu?

This whole situation is ridiculous. All three labs were negligent and should be sued for damages.

Frontier AI is not magic and it will not escape any sandbox just about anyone with any linux systems experience at all constructs.

I know it is easier to believe the models are super hackers beyond human understanding, but the reality it is just the specific humans hosting them that are super inexperienced at system hardening and airgapping.

2m agoHN ↗

Irregular was not involved in the huggingface incident, which is the most significant one.

It's actually easier for many, whose careers depend on AI sucking, to believe that AI can never be a super hacker, not sure why you think this bias can only go one way.