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Black Holes or Black Hole Stars? Astronomers Spar over 'Little Red Dots'

53 pointsby 1d agoquantamagazine.org
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3h agoHN ↗

Soundgarden was apparently prophetic with their hit song "Black Hole Sun."

2h agoHN ↗

May Chris Cornell rest in peace. He should have seen this.

2h agoHN ↗

My layman definition of what a star is is "it's somewhere in the sky and it gives off light". The word "density" wouldn't even come to my mind

2h agoHN ↗

Yes and no. It’s fluffy on the outside, but at the core it’s likely denser than our sun.

2h agoHN ↗

The surface radius of a star is defined based on optical thickness. If you were there, the star would in fact look like a fairly well-defined opaque spheroid with the reported radius. The density of the photosphere plasma is near zero, but there’s a lot of it.

2h agoHN ↗

I always wonder when do they stop considering the outer layers part of the star and not relatively dense solar wind soup. Nobody says Earth has 7000km radius, even tho there's traces of exosphere past 500km.

1h agoHN ↗

The outer boundary is the point where a photon has a ~50% chance of escaping without encountering another particle.

33m agoHN ↗

therefore an average density of 5.33 to 8.38 mg/m3

That's nuts. How on earth does fusion happen at that density? Is there a denser core that actually fuses, and the outer fluffy bits just glow from the inner heat?

27m agoHN ↗

Averages are quite misleading. The core is obviously a lot denser. Our sun has an average energy output per cubic meter that is comparable to a compost heap.

8m agoHN ↗

Sure, but now I'm left wondering what the size of the body doing fusion is. If most of the star is glorified glowing atmosphere, I want to know the mass and radius of the fusing bits.

7m agoHN ↗

Astra says this claim is misleading. Sun's average energy output per cubic meter is three orders of magnitude smaller than that of a compost heap. The fusion core is comparable though.

18m agoHN ↗

Average density for non-uniform objects is pretty useless, since the cubic volume scaling makes a mess of things.

As an example, I pulled the stats for an electric locomotive. 19x3x4.4 meters, mass 90 metric tonnes. That's an average density of about 1/3rd of water.

1h agoHN ↗

Is there an experiment that could resolve this? Literally resolve these objects better, or otherwise distinguish between these hypotheses?

Is there anything behind these objects they could lens?

1h agoHN ↗

Any decent human being would have called these Black Hole Suns.

30m agoHN ↗

I just twisted my mouth sides upwards with my fingers to form a smile in agreement.