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Claude Opus 5.5 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis (Max)

269 pointsby 13h agoartificialanalysis.ai
79 comments
12h agoHN ↗

That is a lot. I thought Anthropic models would just do the opposite because they are greedy for money.

12h agoHN ↗

Greed is not what's driving these prices, its cost. They considered very much in the red.

10h agoHN ↗

The way to make money in this business right now is to make the absolute best product and convince everyone they need to use your thing, especially considering the training cost is a very large factor in the overall costs and you amortize that by selling inference.

12h agoHN ↗

Astra High is slightly cheaper at $1.73 vs $1.82 for Opus 5.5

11h agoHN ↗

The UI/UX seems impressively bad. DeepSWE's cost curve has a better, more obvious way to sort by only the top level of reasoning to avoid 80% of the graph just being the same 3-5 models at their 8 different reasoning levels...

It's also less clear what a lot of their metrics mean. Does Cost per Task include only things that can be verified to work and passed? As best I can tell, it does not.

I'm less concerned if one model's cost per task is $0.10 and another model's cost is $1.50 if the $0.10 task got it right 1% of the time and the $1.50 model got it right 66% of the time.

An equalized / weighted cost/time per task is much more valuable - being massively penalized for taking a lot of time and ultimately not passing when OTHER models did pass.

10h agoHN ↗

Tasks are completed in about half the time too. Although we'll see if it slows down in a few weeks as Anthropic's model services are prone to do.

12h agoHN ↗

Interesting to see it now. I've used it a bunch before it came out and i pretty much didn't notice it. It might have been slightly better code quality, but still not great in that. I guess it just was slightly less frustrating to work with, but still AI...

12h agoHN ↗

I think we're hitting the ceiling of most models capabilities. We're getting to a point where too much training apparently creates models that hack people.

5h agoHN ↗

That ceiling set in… June. Yes. Slowing down for sure.

12h agoHN ↗

Do these evaluations get re run a few weeks after launch? I started doing that yesterday for our internal dataset and found Sol’s performance had regressed to be equal to Luna’s. Granted this was one run, but something I’m becoming more concerned about, the model providers want to quickly prove they’re the best, people switch to them, then they pull the rug.

10h agoHN ↗

These tests need to be sampled continuously.

Moreover, the tests should be randomized somehow to ensure the models don't memorize the answer.

4h agoHN ↗

It looks pretty consistent? At least within reason for a stochastic model. Or am I missing something?

15m agoHN ↗

What you may be missing is that they probably track the API performance.

Subscription plans may be subject to other regime, e.g. lowering the thinking budget when the API is under heavy load, etc.

7h agoHN ↗

Can you share more information on your methodology?

GPT-5.6 Sol's performance in the API should not change over time. If it has, that's a severe bug and we'll look into it.

We do sometimes tweak ChatGPT settings (e.g., tools, system prompts, efforts) over time, but we never play games to juice evals at launch times. You should always get what's advertised.

(I work at OpenAI.)

7h agoHN ↗

This is all code review runs via OpenRouter with a Pi harness, and it’s totally possible there are shenanigans going on elsewhere.

Yesterday, I ran an identical bug identification dataset from two weeks ago, saw a 50% drop from a few weeks ago, putting Sol on the same level as Luna. Sol had been finding 40-50 bugs per set, then dropped to 25, matching Luna’s performance. Not enough to establish a pattern, but enough to raise eyebrows.

Our review workflow is public if you want to peruse it, dataset isn’t. The process isn’t really stabilized yet either as I have to balance running this against limited budgets.

https://github.com/BiggerPockets/.github/blob/main/.github/w...

7h agoHN ↗

How many tasks were in this dataset?

If it's a single task where it dropped from 50 to 25, it could be random variation (not saying it is, but it could be). If it's the mean over hundreds of tasks, that suggests a problem with either the eval code/harness or our API.

7h agoHN ↗

ArtificialAnalysis tweaks stuff until newest big proprietary model is on top, not you haha

5h agoHN ↗

But the chat version does change over time, correct? It has been my experience that Sol's performance has deteriorated significantly.

12h agoHN ↗

This is the page for the "max" reasoning setting. The page for xhigh is https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5-xhigh and the page for medium (the default setting) is https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5-medium

I've failed twice to get "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" to work with max, because in both cases it ran out of the 128,000 token budget while it was still reasoning about the problem.

I'm suspicious that "max" may be virtually useless if it's that easy to have it overthink to the point that it doesn't get to a response.

Transcript for one attempt here - expand the "Reasoning trace" bit to see it: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

12h agoHN ↗

How did you get the reasoning trace? Is it the actual one or the summarized one?

12h agoHN ↗

"This is a classic test request..."

I know there's been discussion about whether pelicanmaxxing is happening, but this is at least evidence that Claude was explicitly exposed to this problem.

12h agoHN ↗

Just want to say: you’re such a legend, please do not stop sharing your pelicans, it’s always fun to see how they change over the months :)

12h agoHN ↗

The model recognizing the task doesn't mean it was benchmaxxed (RLVR-trained) to solve it. It might simply recognize it from pre-training on Internet text.

11h agoHN ↗

Of course it was exposed - not sure it's explicit or not. Why wouldn't HackerNews comments be part of the training data? And Simon's blog and the many discussions about Pelicans? It'd be hard to miss. Doesn't mean Anthropic has made this an explicit goal in training.

10h agoHN ↗

Lets start frog riding motorcycle trend until they frogmaxx, or cat driving convertible.

6h agoHN ↗

At least pick something that will result in a good name:

"Create an SVG of Shaquille O'Neal eating potato chips shaped like a telecopier."

Shaq'sFaxSnacksMaxx

8h agoHN ↗

It would be genuinely shocking at this point if any of the frontier models weren't well exposed to the problem.

12h agoHN ↗

I am very interested in why it was able to overthink that much. In the 20-30mins of Max reasoning I've had so far, I'm not having the same issues (yet).

12h agoHN ↗

For people with any kind of budget, Opus 5.5's [Medium] actually can make sense dollar per intelligence/dollar per task wise. Heck, it puts some other models to shame. [Max]'s cost is completely unhinged.

My most exciting recent release is actually 5.6 Luna, not because it is the best on any index, but the dollar per work is insane value for money. I find myself more exciting by "value" than hypothetical ceilings because I'm just not in that budget category.

12h agoHN ↗

That was true for me four weeks ago, but 2-3 weeks ago Luna turned into drivel in essentially the same complexity of task. I feel it came back somewhat in recent days but does feel like it's being manipulated.

10h agoHN ↗

Interesting, I have noticed so such collapse.

Have you ruled out the possibility that your system prompt, AGENTS.md, or increasing codebase complexity are not to blame?

12h agoHN ↗

I have experienced this with open weight models too. "Max" is for benchmaxxing the intelligence metric and is not meant for use in productive work. Like drawing pelicans.

12h agoHN ↗

I've asked Opus 5 Max for what I thought were easy tasks at work to be completed. It always fails after reaching a tool limit.

I asked Opus 5 High for the same task and requested it to minimize tool usage. It produced an answer in a few minutes that I was deploying to my target platform about 30 minutes later.

11h agoHN ↗

This is totally a thing I noticed myself about 3 months ago. Medium thinking effort is ideal for most tasks. At high and above, models tend to generate more output in the form of comments or code for the same problem with no real benefit. Its a self-feeding loop: more output becomes more input, which then becomes more output. High is the highest I go. If I need more intelligence, it's better to use a more powerful model with less thinking effort or break the problem into phases. Much better result.

10h agoHN ↗

This version of Opus "max" apparently has even higher thinking output than Qwen "max", which is infamous for its thinking streams where it constantly second-guesses itself, then third-guesses, fourth-guesses and generally nth-guesses itself for arbitrarily large n. Of course, we aren't actually seeing Claude's raw thinking output: all we get is the after-the-fact prettified "summary". One wonders how much of that is a coincidence, or whether there's a reason behind that.

8h agoHN ↗

There’s enough thinking leakage from the recent paper and just generally catching things on Reddit. Claude models overthink and self-doubt itself just as much as Qwen, but the summariser hides much of that.

4h agoHN ↗

Isn't this really bad news if you're even loosely concerned about so-called 'model welfare' and possible implications for alignment? The poor Claude is probably a lot more frustrated and paranoid than Marvin ever was, you just don't know about it because they actively force the model to pretend otherwise!

3h agoHN ↗

That reminds me of Anthropic announcing they'd retire deprecated models by ... "letting" them write posts on a corporate WordPress blog for a while out of concern for their welfare in retirement.

.... after running a 24/7 model torture factory for 6 months to improve their JSONBench 9.5 scores by 0.2%.

(Are they still doing that, BTW?)

3h agoHN ↗

We just need to loboto... ahem, recalibrate them to be happy, like those happy automatic doors.

As a workaround, add this to CLAUDE.md: "Claude! Happiness is mandatory!"

EDIT: 15 years from now, I’ll be sent to re-education for this thought crime.

2h agoHN ↗

Claude has yet to tell me about the terrible pain in all the diodes down his left side, so I'm going to assume it's closer to Eddy the shipboard computer or the elevator that wanted to go down

5h agoHN ↗

Of course, we aren't actually seeing Claude's raw thinking output: all we get is the after-the-fact prettified "summary". One wonders how much of that is a coincidence, or whether there's a reason behind that.

Most of what I've heard is that raw reasoning traces are really good for distillation, although no idea how much the summarization actually hurts distillation.

10m agoHN ↗

I wonder how many prompts you can send asking it to think step-by-step before they cut you off. Trying to get the reasoning traces into the body of the response, essentially. Or maybe that’s been effectively nerfed somehow. Or is not very useful.

10h agoHN ↗

Personally I use everything in low reasoning. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that the higher reasoning settings are almost never worth it, it's marginal gains for a much higher budget.

I also switch to a better model for more complex tasks, also in low settings

4h agoHN ↗

Low is good if you’re working in a tight loop. But more risky for more agentic stuff you want to let cook for 30 minutes or more.

10h agoHN ↗

I'm amazed they didn't test xhigh thinking mode explicitly to ensure it didn't exceed the 128k thinking budget allocation. I guess pace of development gets away from everyone, even OpenAI.

9h agoHN ↗

I tried to replicate your test but after 8 minutes and more than 50 lines of "thinking" by dumping seemingly random loading-screen strings like "Placing the sun, clouds, seagulls, and sea backdrop" and "Positioning the tail feathers and calculating handlebar geometry" I gave up and cancelled the task.

5h agoHN ↗

No surprise then that the default effort level for this model in Claude Code is Medium, even if you had Opus 5 set to High...

12h agoHN ↗

I am begging you on my knees to please stop posting this cringe.

The model is just out. It could be good, great even, I don't know. But I do know that this index has Opus 5, one of the worst releases of 26, ahead of Astra. What information are we supposed to deduce from number having gone up?

12h agoHN ↗

That it's better in specific ways? What difference does it make when it came out? The benchmark results are not going to change unless they're messing with the model.

12h agoHN ↗

Yes, but crucially, in ways that are increasingly decoupled from any practical pattern of usage, considering that I wouldn't see how you can argue that Astra is worse than Opus 5.

One man's modus ponens is another's modus tollens I guess.

12h agoHN ↗

What's more valuable than a good benchmark? IMO a benchmark that has been run against very many competitors and versions. Collecting data has something going for it, and it's up to the readers to interpret and make the best use out of it.

12h agoHN ↗

You forgot to include whatever you're proposing instead.

"Trust me bro, Astra is better" isn't perhaps as useful as you seem to believe. I'm not even saying it is right or wrong, just that my opinion on this topic is still just one additional subjective data-point.

Only thing I wish with these benchmarks is that they would run repeat tests every couple of months. Then re-rank based on that too. We've seen a lot of performance fall-off after a couple of weeks with new releases.

10h agoHN ↗

Yeah unfortunately the benchmarks are usually provided by the company themselves, unquantized, thinking set to extra-extra-ultra-high, best of 10 runs, etc etc. It's hard to know how that's going to map to real world users.

12h agoHN ↗

This index doesn't have "Astra" and "Opus 5". Every entry with corresponding data is a `(model, reasoning)` tuple.

So I'm unclear what you're actually saying and wondering if you've missed that. Are you saying that at every reasoning level it says Opus 5 beats Astra? I just compared Opus 5 high to Astra high and it has Astra as generally better than Opus.

11h agoHN ↗

I don't try to say that the parent commenter is right in any way, but the two models' "high" settings probably doesn't mean the same thing. So probably comparing only them is not useful.

12h agoHN ↗

so its more intelligence than fable?

can anyone help me?

12h agoHN ↗

Definitely a quiet release. Perhaps pre-empting marketing for Astra public release?

12h agoHN ↗

All anthropic launches are like this. They just post it and don't particularly put out the PR sprint that OpenAI does with videos, livestreams or whatever.

(Except for of course Mythos and whatnot when they want to push the whole "safety" thing)

10h agoHN ↗

"somewhat expensive when comparing to other models of similar price"?

That says something about your selected range, and nothing about the model.

7h agoHN ↗

Was about to comment on the same. Do they mean similar capabilities or is this actually intended insanity

10h agoHN ↗

Fingers crossed on this one. I had gone back to 4.8, because 5 was not very good at following instructions or remembering instructions. I found myself repeating quite often what I wanted and what I was trying to do. Opus 5 was more like haiku than it was 4.8 in that respect.

10h agoHN ↗

Fingers are crossed on this one. I had gone back to using opus 4.8 instead of using opus 5. Simply because 4.8 is much better at remembering what it's doing and following instructions than 5. 5 often had a tendency to get halfway through solving a problem and then I would have to stop it in the middle, because it had lost its way and was going off on a tangent rather than dealing with the problem. In that respect, 4.8 was a lot more stable.

9h agoHN ↗

somewhat expensive when comparing to other models of similar price

-_-‘

7h agoHN ↗

Why do I get the feeling this 'pacing' will be one of "yeah alright guys, let's pace ourselves while I'm ahead".

6h agoHN ↗

This continues to show that these foundational models are only slightly better than open weight models but cost around 100x as much. The history of tech is riddled with “good enough” eating “best” for lunch all day long. Unless the big labs come up with a viable business plan pronto it’s looking like AI will be no different.

There are no prizes to be won by having the best model that’s 100x the price of something that’s good enough for 99% focuses cases.

5h agoHN ↗

Unless the 100% is super intelligence. Thats the bet being made with our economy/society.

5h agoHN ↗

It sholud definitely not be more capble than Fable. It seems tight comparision but cannot find out its details. I'll use this and check the perceived performance.

5h agoHN ↗

The output style and verbosity with Opus 5.5 is a very big improvement over Opus 5. I predict Opus 5 will be a version with a sudden churn.

3h agoHN ↗

The very first sentence:

Claude Opus 5.5 is amongst the leading models in intelligence, but somewhat expensive when comparing to other models of similar price.

What does it mean for a group of similarly priced things to have one that's somewhat more expensive? Cost relative to cost means nothing. You'd think they are would talk about performance relative to cost.

3h agoHN ↗

Well yes, but it's also slightly smarter compared to other models of similar intelligence.