Hacker News

New stories

Live mirror
30 storiesupdated just nowView source snapshot
  1. CorridorKey – free neural net based green screen keys(github.com/nikopueringer)
    1comments
  2. Debian Inference Portal(debian.net)
    discuss
  3. Running WireGuard over HTTPS via Chisel, or how to bypass your hotel's firewall(momandpop.network)
    discuss
  4. Qualcomm Talks Up Linux on Snapdragon X2 Laptops(phoronix.com)
    discuss
  5. OpenAI hacked Australian Medicare portal(abc.net.au)
    discuss
  6. Heat May Kill 451,000 People in First 9 Months of Super El Niño(impactlab.org)
    discuss
  7. BlackWire, A little hardware security project I've been building(github.com/lovejoy-zero)
    1comments
  8. Dwarkesh Patels's popular but misleading account of Hugging Face incident(garymarcus.substack.com)
    discuss
  9. After AI models escaped testing environments,Irregular seeks $1.5B valuation(calcalistech.com)
    discuss
  10. "Can Jev Emulate a CPU?"(agihunt.info)
    discuss
  11. Go System One(rcarmo.github.io)
    discuss
  12. Jensen Huang says the junior developer problem ends in two years(thenewstack.io)
    discuss
  13. Physical Self-Play(skild.ai)
    discuss
  14. Ask HN: Can you suggest an interesting skill?
    5comments
  15. LensVLM-9B by Apple(huggingface.co)
    discuss
  16. Agent Etna – Automated staging environment and regression compiler for AI agents(agentetna.com)
    discuss
  17. WebGPU-Bench: A WebGPU Microbenchmark(ben3d.ca)
    discuss
  18. Realtime Raytracing in Bevy 0.20 (Solari)(jms55.github.io)
    discuss
  19. AI can never produce sublime art(hilariusbookbinder.substack.com)
    discuss
  20. ALP: Adaptive Lossless Floating-Point Encoding in Apache Parquet(apache.org)
    discuss
  21. Show HN: Lifeboat, 2-6x more concurrent agent sessions per GPU, no quantization(github.com/iterateai)
    discuss
  22. Why Omarchy Exists(pika.page)
    discuss
  23. The Python documentation is now available in Persian(python.org)
    discuss
  24. An LLM Beat NetHack(kenforthewin.github.io)
    discuss
  25. The Most Important Market in AI Is the Middle(tomtunguz.com)
    discuss
  26. Cursor Introducing Projects(cursor.com)
    discuss
  27. Immigration changes are driving foreign researchers to leave the U.S.(statnews.com)
    discuss
  28. Are we going to use the same Desktop UX forever? [video](ccc.de)
    discuss
  29. How the pro-nicotine 'wellness' movement rebranded an addictive drug(theconversation.com)
    discuss
  30. Empire of Grift(theatlantic.com)
    discuss

What to do when your Waymo holds up a Secret Service motorcade

24 pointsby 3h agoft.com
20 comments
3h agoHN ↗

Full text:

I was 10 minutes into my first trip in a driverless car when I realised my vehicle was potentially obstructing the president of the United States.

Late for a press conference on the sidelines of the Republican midterm convention in Dallas, I called one of the autonomous Waymos that I had seen gliding past my hotel. At first, the climate-controlled Jaguar purred serenely through the downtown traffic. Then, in the midst of a fast-flowing six-lane avenue, it came to an abrupt halt. The problem, it became apparent, was that police officers in the intersection ahead were diverting cars — with vigorous arm signals — to the right. My autonomous chauffeur was refusing to obey.

“Tell the Waymo it needs to go to the right,” bellowed the officer who stood in front of me. I was not sure to whom, or to what, I could communicate this, but sheepishly relayed his command out loud inside the car. There was no response. The Waymo kept pumping out soft jazz, indifferent to my appeals.

Unpanicked, I pressed the “call support” button on the display, assuming it would be answered in real time. The phone rang for what seemed like an eternity, with the officers in front of me growing more irate by the second. One further back suggested to her colleague that the Waymo was not budging because he was standing directly in front of it. He moved, but the car did not, presumably determined not to disobey the traffic lights, which had turned red.

By now, my Waymo was the lone civilian vehicle on the road and it dawned on me that the officers’ urgency might be due to the imminent arrival of a motorcade containing the convention’s headline act, Donald Trump, or a member of his cabinet. This was soon confirmed by the arrival of a Secret Service agent, wearing a black suit and a darker expression. “I need this vehicle to be out of here NOW, or it will be crushed,” he barked through the closed passenger window, strongly implying that I was somehow to blame.

At this point, the support line was answered by a distinctly unhurried voice who suggested moving everyone 10ft away from the perimeter of the car — a suggestion that the US Secret Service did not take kindly to. In any event, it made no difference.

I had seen enough. Against the advice of my remote interlocutor, I unbuckled my seatbelt, pushed the passenger door open, and fled into the 38C Dallas heat. Behind me, the agents continued to remonstrate with the recalcitrant vehicle. I looked back one last time to see the car, flanked by officers, finally start to crawl forward with its hazard lights on.

After making it to the conference centre, this time with an Uber under human control, I received a call from a Waymo representative. It was, they said, “not really the experience that we wanted you to have”.

The company’s press office later provided a more fulsome account of what went wrong. Apparently, the car had recognised and understood the officers’ hand gestures, but because the diversion required turning right across multiple lanes of traffic, it was programmed to wait for remote assistance. Said assistance was activated within seven seconds but was escalated to a team that deals with emergency personnel — hence the delay.

It’s not clear how often Waymo is involved in stand-offs with the Secret Service, but its safety record is significantly better than human drivers. The cars are active in more than 15 major US cities and, while it has filed over 1,000 incident reports with regulators, most of them are minor scrapes.

“We continually refine our technology’s performance to more seamlessly handle these types of scenarios,” a Waymo spokesperson said of my experience. “And we’ll continue to improve ahead of operating in environments where these situations are more common.”

Looking up Waymo’s expansion plans, I learnt one of its next targets is my home city, Washington DC, where impromptu diversions for passing VIPs are indeed “more common”. The company might want to consider fine-tuning its vehicles’ ability to navigate motorcades before they are deployed here.

2h agoHN ↗

At this point, the support line was answered by a distinctly unhurried voice who suggested moving everyone 10ft away

Rookie. A pro would have suggested turning it off and on again.

58m agoHN ↗

Said assistance was activated within seven seconds but was escalated to a team that deals with emergency personnel — hence the delay.

Shouldn’t emergency escalation be an immediate response, rather than a delay? Do they not have enough people to handle the amount of emergencies they receive?

42m agoHN ↗

Sounds to me like the police and secret service were much of the problem here (big surprise). Even if you have no regard for your fellow man, barking orders is a bad way to get things done. Solving problems requires calm.

I remember a time when I repeatedly stalled my car because the person behind me kept blasting the horn and gesticulating at me.

2h agoHN ↗

I feel that abandoning your car at an intersection and fleeing the scene in front of armed officers as a presidential drive by was about to arrive - in Dallas of all places - could have had far worse consequences.

1h agoHN ↗

Yeah I'm not sure if I would have had the guts to get out or if I would have just curled up on the floor of the vehicle and preyed.

2h agoHN ↗

Law enforcement yelling at a powerless customer while the responsible people sit obliviously in an office thousands of miles away. What a perfect microcosm of our times.

2h agoHN ↗

Hopefully this highlights the total absurdity of the motorcade in the first place.

Just use a helicopter, block one street for the takeoff/landing

2h agoHN ↗

helicoptors are a much more dangerous way to travel though? this is already true in the best of times/when you aren't anticipating a possible attack on the passengers.

2h agoHN ↗

Or the absurdity of autonomous cars that can find themselves in situations where they don't know what to do, and so just stop?

1h agoHN ↗

Road vehicles stop all the time for all sorts of reasons.

Safely coming to a stop because the conditions are unexpected is the right thing to do for an autonomous car.

Slow response by exception handlers is more of a problem.

1h agoHN ↗

As opposed to what?... Floor it? Just stopping is the safe default* that should be practiced by more human drivers, too.

*) In the general case especially within cities. There are exceptions - for example on roads with high speed limit like euro highways, where stopping for non-emergency reasons is banned anyway.

1h agoHN ↗

As opposed to not existing.

As opposed to any number of ways to provide for emergency override.

If I drive a car in the wrong manner, I am responsible.

If I just leave a car dumped somewhere on the street, unattended just like a Waymo, I am responsible.

Yet somehow Waymo and all the others are allowed to basically dump a special kind of litter all over the streets. There is no reason this has to be tolerated like there is no alternative. It's not inevitable or required or anything. It's absurd that it is allowed to happen at all in the first place.

It's absurd to ask "As opposed to what? Floor it?"

1h agoHN ↗

I can agree that cars should not exist. I cannot agree that cars that already exist and sadly emburden cities with their presence should not just stop and safely wait for the resolution of a road situation.

56m agoHN ↗

Who the hell said cars should not exist? Why should anyone care to engage with someone who just fabricates things and then acts as though the fabrication was any part of the discussion?

1h agoHN ↗

Freezing and not moving is also a very human panic response.

39m agoHN ↗

Most humans, when faced with a human directing traffic, will not panic or freeze, but will just follow the directions.

2h agoHN ↗

I wonder if they could have manually set the car to neutral and then pushed it out of the way?

2h agoHN ↗

Any sort of "let the passenger take control of the vehicle" functionality would cause all kinds of chaos.

1h agoHN ↗

“I need this vehicle to be out of here NOW, or it will be crushed,”

Sounds like the proper response is "my car has been disobeying me for the past 30 minutes, so crushed is fine" and then get out