This feels closer to the quest 3, so maybe consider it a successor in a way? Since meta is moving away from VR gaming, it may end up cannibalizing sales in a "good" way for the company.

On the bottom of the page it says they are called:

  Meta Ray-Ban Display

and

  Ray-Ban Meta Audio

Which really grinds my OCD.

For Meta, on their knees?

Most other VR headsets don't put their entire weight on your nose and ears.

This is the sweet spot Apple's aiming for next year.

Xreal style glasses use forms of "birdbath" optics with screens up top reflected through prisms. This likely use the regular concentric pancake optics used in many other VR headsets.

But yeah, the angles are to obscure thickness. It's not going to be as thin as it appear from a distance.

Youtube video Meta released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyD_bmMy5nQ

That video is on the page itself as well, right top

Touch glass

They dumb down their phones.

3 million. Roblox apparently has about 380m.

I actually realized that I did see kids on social VR games when I experimented with VR a few years ago. But no kids I've known or heard about in real life have seemingly used VR.

Somebody cited Gorilla Tag. I looked it up and it has 3 million monthly actives. I don't know how that measures for an online game, but that is pretty small for a social network. Roblox is at least 100x that.

You could be right. But I also keep hearing that excuse (since the Jaron Lanier, power-glove VR days) so color me skeptical.

Not sure where you live but everyone is wearing them in LA. And they are super popular in China, especially among children who use them in place of a phone.

Luckey owned a cereal bar. He sold it to Zuck, who spent $46 billion and a business rebrand trying to make breakfast compete with dinner.

Nobody wants to tap their glasses on a Square reader to buy coffee, or ask their specs to take a picture.

Nobody used their cell phone to take pictures, that's what a camera is for! And music came from a Walkman. But then the iPhone came out, and the rest is history. A pair of glasses that takes pictures could very well be the future. We won't know until after it's happened though.

a couple of projectors… it’s cheaper

I’m not saying AVP is cheap, I’m saying visually it’s better.

more comfortable

Nothing could be more comfortable than lying flat on bed with head propped up just a bit, and screen floating at 45 degrees in front of me, which I can easily reposition and resize to perfectly hit my FOV.

more social

Heh, I’m not looking to socialize while enjoying a movie at home

The only way a physical setup would win is righteous speakers. I suppose I could connect physical speakers, but that breaks the awesome immersion of enjoying a movie in perfect (to the rest of my family) silence.

But really all I can say is that the visual experience and physical comfort (when lying down) of a movie on AVP is unparalleled, and this is not at all why I bought it, and it’s probably something one really has to experience to understand.

I sometimes wish that I could read a book like that. But I think the reality is that it would make me tired and fall asleep.

It really is a joke. Where are my AR contact lenses? It's 2026 for fuck's sake.

I was just thinking, I hope meta/apple are hooking up with companies like Peloton, etc for cycling and rowing experiences

The list is too long, but essentially almost every VR game will force you to move since you’re no longer controlling an avatar with buttons. You are now inside the game instead of viewing it from outside of a box, so you’re going to be moving and punching.

For me the biggest calorie burners are boxing games. Beat Saber and others like Synth Riders are great too. Then there are fitness focus apps like Body Combat and even one for rowing machines.

Hopefully, Meta can convince HR firms that this is a fitness device that is eligible for FSA like benefits.

Not sure how to date this list is, but here is one way to look at it. https://vrhealth.institute/vr-ratings/

I have found VR an easy way to get moving in a fun/low friction way at the end of the day, instead of heading somewhere else. Depending on what you are doing, it isn't going to cover everything, but moving something is better than nothing.

Personally, I found Synth Riders a good way to queue up 60min continous activity that I enjoy.

exactly i dont see the appeal or use cases other than planes or trains and stuff.

The form factor itself is also a killer. Couldn't imagine doing anything besides using it as large private display for 2D games. You aren't going to be moving your head around quickly with just pressure on your temples to hold it in place.

Not sure where this lands functionality wise. I feel like it's most direct competition would be as a cheaper Apple Vision. You would need to pair it off with a Windows system for heavier productivity work most likely. Even though their OS is "android", it doesn't have the Google ecosystem behind it, let alone matured on that front. Media consumption on the go seems to be the other use case.

So, compare them to either XREALs plugged into a laptop/phone, or Apple Vision Pro I guess.

What's worse is that, due to the motion tracking many of these devices have, you often have to enter a travel mode that disables some of the better features.

From my experience, wired streaming never really worked well even with the expensive fiber optic cable.

You can, but the FOV is narrow so not great for multiple screens, and the focal length is probably around 4 ft so you're not going to be able to use a screen closer without eye strain.

"100 grams" is the headline here

Steam Frame has black and white passthrough but it's not good enough for AR. They sell a third party's passthrough camera as an add-on though which is $130 I think and clips on the front. Since the Frame runs open Linux with KDE this is really interesting to me.

With bigscreen you also need to have 2-3 tracking stations ($500-750) with stands (another $100) you need to setup everywhere you want to use it.

I have to point out that all of these are terrible options for the general mass who are remotely interested in VR. If you are an enthusiastic who don't mind dropping $1000 on something completely optional to your everyday life, great, but otherwise they are terrible in value considering what they provide.

I somehow missed the pics where one of the arms had a cable attached to a battery

would call is a far more appealing implementation

Said the guy who has not checked this thing for head-turn-to-pixels-changed latency. That is the one metric that nobody has approached the AVP on -- the one that keeps me (and many others) from being nauseous.

Not sure what you mean. The marketing video shows pancake optical stacks and specs have mentioned OLED displays. While the marketing video attempts to play up an immersive fantastical reality, the experience will function like a Quest 3 or Apple Vision Pro, where there are external cameras that then get projected onto the internal screens.

two weeks ago I basically punched my coffee table while trying to stab a guy on the floor in VR. My left hand still hurts.

So yeah, be careful of the play area. :)

Obligatory subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/VRtoER/

Notably the standard resolution of 96 DPI at 28 inches is 47 PPD.

Probably comparing something like a normal monitor at standard distance.

It is all a compromise. 37 PPD is well under the standard for normal "good" eyesight (aka. "retina" in Apple marketing), which is 60 (aka. 1 arcminute).

Doing more with a narrower field of view is easy, it is even cheaper. Doing more with the same or better field of view means you need more pixels and more computing power to drive them, so more expensive, heavier hardware that gets hotter and with less battery life.

People at Meta consitered 37 PPD to be a good compromise, and I kind of agree.

Just give yourself time and you’ll be the target customer then!

Sounds like you shouldn't use them in your state then? You can't open carry in my state... so I don't.

Not yet! although its not legal to do so.

Can't imagine how restrictive it might be on 70 x 66.

Ouch, that's a tough sell. Maybe useful for AR type stuff, but I wouldn't want to go from a Quest/Index/Frame/etc to that for VR.

It's a headset

Unless like Vision Pro there's a surroundings control that lets you go from total visibility outside the image to complete darkness — within the FOV — in any environment.

Edit: Since the FOV is only 70 degrees, that leaves 110 degrees outside the image, divided between the edges of the glasses and the rest of the room. So for sure in daylight outside light would destroy the theater effect.

I really wish VR had followed an iPhone like trajectory over the past decade where we got a new Quest/etc every year

That didn’t happen because you would need market demand for that. Only Gen Alpha likes VR as a demographic.

It has progressed. The tech is just expensive and heavy and... all sorts of tradeoffs. Meta had a prototype (Boba) with a 180 horizontal and 120 vertical FoV

But it of course is large and heavy like the quest pro and expensive most likely. Things that when you market to consumers don't pan out.

So they are optimizing on the other dimension (weight) which of course trades of many other dimensions.

Pancake optics are really cool, very clear and lightweight without some of the light distortions you get from traditional optics. They are worth the tradeoff. But they don't work out beyond 100-ish degrees. I think the Steam Frame is really pushing the maximum the industry seems to be able to get out of them.

More niche manufacturers like Pimax have accomplished much higher FOVs but people keep returning them because they're expensive, heavy and uncomfortable (I think they're popular among people who lie down in cockpit rigs).

surely by this point headsets would be standardizing on a baseline of like 140+

They would be if they had gotten popular and competition had ramped up. But that didn't happen.

e.g. who's Meta competing with via these VR Glasses?

So, xreal competitor?

I'm very interested in Valve's approach, shifting some of the weight to the back.

IMO, FOV is the biggest immersion killer in VR today, and doesn't get nearly enough attention. It's not so bad when you're relatively new to it as the illusion is convincing enough that you don't notice, but once the magic wears off a bit, it's hard to escape that binocular effect. I wish one of the bigger players would tackle that. I'm not willing to take a chance on Pimax.

I have a Vision Pro since launch and loved it, and it has a much more traditional, much wider FOV. However, when you do watch movies on it, it looks incredible but usually only a fraction of that full FOV is utilized -- you do see the theater, or environment, etc. My one wondering is if they'll somehow really deliver the experience of a virtual screen, non-occlusion of the real world, and make it so that the huge screen on the wall several feet away from you can be fully rendered on only this 70 degree FOV. To be sure this is a killer for this as an all-encompassing VR device, but I hope that maybe we'll be shown that it might just be good enough for more of a MR use. Or maybe its just cause I'm at least excited someone is trying and bringing products in this space and so I want to cheer this on

Ah my mind is lagging behind…

They can't stand the idea you'd use it without a social media account. It's Facebook after all.

You shouldn't have to do this and I won't. I'll vote with my dollars and never buy another device from them. It's too bad because I genuinely liked it as well, but it's not worth the invasion of privacy and normalizing sending this type of information to any consumer company.

No brainwashing needed, the vast majority of people don’t care one bit about privacy

Think of the children … or are your a chomo? Now hand over your papers for access to information and communications more that all the books have been fed into the AI shredder and paper and writing instruments were done away with to save the planet.

For the same reason you need to show ID to go into a bar/pub.

You don't need to use a real name on a meta headset. It was decoupled from Facebook years ago.

Odd. I’ve used a fake name with Facebook since about 2009 and now I have a meta quest and they’ve never flagged my account or asked for id verification.

The one that needed it the most. Very excited to see what's going to grow out of this hack

Phwoar! Thank you. It's 2026, and had it not been for your high quality informative comments. I would have not known anything about this them there Facebook. You saved me.

I don't know what conversation you think you're having here, but it's not that.

If you'd bothered to read... and then ready for it... stop, take a breath, and process the information. You'd have noticed I was pointing out you can use a Quest headset WITHOUT providing them your personal ID OR having a Facebook account. Almost as if, you know, I was highlighting that giving the company your personal info isn't required. Woe me though for pointing that out.

I'm sorry for interrupting the indignant rants. Please continue.

I got some hate from pointing out WhatsApp is the same evil corp as Facebook recently. People don't want to hear that

Because some people find arguing over semantics fun.

Game console developers always had to (and still have to) pay for their dev kits. That doesn't really make them products in the typical sense of the word, though.

The stronger argument for it being a product is that it was available to the public.

I didn’t even get it from the kickstarter.

I just bought it on the website.

Yeah, sure, my point is that obviously the original comment excluded the dev kit in their definition of product, and arguing over it is just splitting hairs.

I was one of them.

I mean, I was/am a dev, but I had no plans to develop on it, I just wanted it to play with.

They called it that, but I just bought it on their website like a normal product. I didn’t write anything for it.

There was a site that you could download experiences that people created, which is what I used it for.

Game console dev kits are typically _more_ expensive than the consoles they're for. So "full price" isn't a good argument. (The fact that they were available to the public is a stronger argument.)

i've never had the luxury of buying a cheaper dev kit. Ever.

CV1 was as a Facebook subsidiary. Acquired 2014-07-21, CV1 announced January 2016 and released March 2016. https://techcrunch.com/2014/07/21/facebooks-acquisition-of-o... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oculus_Rift_CV1

4 if you count the Latency Tester.. but yo.. Mark and Andrew.. pour these ARVR $$$ into CZI instead!!!

oculus didnt ship a single product not owned by facebook.

The post you are replying to doesn't claim they did...?

They did change the branding in late 2021/early 2022.

Prior to that the product was called the Oculus Quest, after that it was the Meta Quest.

And Meta did start heavily enshittifying the product alongside the rebrand.

Regardless the acquisition took some time to bring down the quality of the products. It doesn't matter if their first few products were sufficiently far ahead that they weren't enshitified immediately when Facebook bought Oculus.

It’s rather astonishing to me how the vampire squid of world domination has apparently worked out just how to neutralize any sense of self-preservation, and manipulate and gaslight anything into place if they have enough time and are patient.

Everything from “freedom sticks” to get women to breath in smoke and ash like the foolish men, to going from “government IDs are just conspiracy theory” to “you have to show your papers to see information and communicate with other humans on the only method that is still widely possible; it’s all just been slowly salami sliced and microdosed into our societies. Worse yet, still a large chunk of society seem utterly oblivious as long as they can consume their particular customized and personalized opiate of the masses.

As a strict condition of this settlement, Meta is legally mandated to enforce hard age gates.

Not for allowing you to use your own hardware, what utter nonsense.

It was their choice to forcibly link their hardware to their online account system despite it working fine without it. But it’s absolutely not true that the government requires age verification for using VR goggles.

Yeah, you beat me to this - I laughed at Meta needing any information considering shadow profiles have always existed and every company leaks data like a sieve xD

Facebook was doing ID checks well before this because they want to stop ban evasion.

ID checks just came to the Quest because they forced facebook accounts which already had ID checks on it. They should never have made facebook accounts mandatory for playing games.

Obviously, none of us have any proof, but I'm on board with the theory that they've been lobbying for it to push things subtly. Specifically because it looks like a lot of these laws are being made to absolve the person creating the gate of responsibility and liability when the gate is there, even if it fails. The idea of the theory being that if they can push that part in then it's better off for them rather than if it's done in a vacuum where they can end up responsible.

It makes it impossible for anyone except huge existing players to have a legal social network if there are enough hoops to jump through to run one.

Smaller entrants to the field cannot as easily comply with the law. It’s about raising barriers to entry. Trust in Meta might be low here, but to the general public, it’s higher than some small startup they’ve never heard of, so they won’t upload their ids there.

I linked to two articles describing Meta's fight to have age verification laws put into place (even before the settlement). The most obvious reason is to try to get some sort of law in place that they believe they can comply with _without_ having to make changes to their algorithms in a way that might hurt their business.

I don't think they particularly _want_ legal id (though maybe they do? who knows)... but it's obviously false that this was caused by the government when Meta itself was lobbying for such laws even before then.

https://techoversight.org/2025/07/29/bloomberg-meta-google-l...

https://thedeepdive.ca/who-pushes-age-verification-bills/

Creates another expensive bar for prospective challengers to clear - regulation nearly always ends up favouring incumbents, especially if they have a hand in shaping it.

Could you get a refund for the device? Obviously that wasn't what you paid for.

I think you're underestimating Facebook if you think they don't know your address.

After the "Meta" rebrand, the quality rapidly decreased

This has not been my experience at all and there are very few headsets I have not owned.

Everything else I can't really disagree with.

You don't need a fb profile for quest. I'm sure that you could use one but you can create a new meta account for which you just need an email.

No I didn't. During the time when it was required to couple one I just made one with a fake name. But since that passed i decoupled it again and deleted the Facebook one.

Facebook is the only social media I've ever had this kind of problem with. Every few years I find some group or community that only exists on Facebook that I want to join (in the most recent case it was a local DnD meetups group; in a previous case, it was a gardening group that was my only reputable lead on seeds for an uncommon variety of heirloom tomato I was searching for). It always ends in my new account getting banned within a few days for suspected fraud with no real reason or opportunity for appeal. No other social media has that problem as far as I can tell, it seems like it's primarily a Facebook problem, and clearly I'm not some unique case considering how common a story it seems.

Perhaps it has something to do with if you had an old account you deleted a decade ago; maybe Meta assumes that any person who ever deleted their account will never ever want to make a new one, so anybody using the same email or name or face or ID or device as anything that has touched a deleted account is by definition fraudulent.

I was so excited by Oculus’s technology, and then Facebook of all companies bought them and it was such a let down. It felt like finding out that Charles Manson likes the same TV show as you. Yuck!

yea that. it works on latest fw

This is why he buys anything. I can't speak to Whatsapp but Instagram is horrific now precisely because he doesn't give a damn about making a good product. All he wants is to own the network effects, and credentials, and data

Although looking like an idiot is probably better than being one of those Meta Glasses perverts

I’ve used the Vision Pro in public. I don’t care what people think of me, but I did get annoyed at people tapping me on the shoulder and asking about it.

Surely you mean asocial?

Plus when you talk into a phone, your voice bouncing off the glass causes natural tendency to control vocal volume.

With buds, people just shout into the void... Or the bus...

Better than the people who walk around using speakerphone… which I see at least 3 people do on every trip to the grocery store.

It still seems weird to me when I hear people seemingly talking to themselves as if hallucinating. It always surprises me until I realize what's happening.

Luckily they can’t steal your invisible monitor, keyboard and mouse.

I've been that guy, though with a portable keyboard and wireless mouse using my Xreal glasses with a Samsung device in Dex mode.

It is as close as Ive gotten to the cyberpunk dream so far.

You can also see this with the used eBay values. Vision Pros have depreciated unlike any other Apple product I’ve ever seen.

Under $2,000 for a device that retails brand new for $3500.

Imagine if you could hop on eBay and buy a pristine condition MacBook Air M5 for $600.

Regarding heavy weight and use case, I think Valve has the right product design going on with the Steam Frame. They’re taking a product and refining it for what its actually good at with proven utility: gaming, with real controllers, streaming from a powerful PC, and minimizing weight on your head.

Apple and Meta have already effectively disproven the other hypothetical use cases of the technology. The Steam Frame probably won’t even sell that well despite being the most focused product on the market.

Really? Did you ever try adjusting the text sharpness?

I've a pair of Nreal Air glasses (before the rebrand) and a pair of Xreal Ones. I have found the latter remarkably comfortable and sharp enough for coding, reading text, playing games, etc. for extended periods of time.

The new widescreen modes are a real treat too. Still waiting for Real 3D to get upgraded to 60FPS though.

This for me is the FAIL with both Vision Pro and XReal glasses: blurry text. Can't stand it from the get-go.

You can wire it to a laptop. It supports direct DisplayPort over USB 3 input, which it will display on a large virtual monitor.

I live in a small apartment too. Our setup for work from home is a monitor and desk pad that lives in our closet and we bring it out to the kitchen table.

This is a 4K monitor that cost roughly $500 along with a real keyboard and mouse.

As far as portable screen setups, we have a portable monitor, which slips into a backpack like a laptop. It’s about the size of an iPad.

I’m not saying any of this to criticize your setup at all. I agree that it’s a use case that probably works for some people.

Still, it’s clear that traditional alternatives exist, and they lack a lot of the downsides that VR has.

You can even buy laptops that already have two screens built-in like the ZenBook Duo.

They had to get something out to undercut Snap finally formally entering the market with a consumer product. That's my read. Their entire strategy for years has been doing whatever they can to box-out potential XR space competitors.

Yeah, I've switched to ultra-light rimless glasses and I really do not want to go back. I no longer have sore nose-pad dents at the end of the day.

(I have a fairly strong prescription, so the literal glass in my glasses does weigh a fair bit more than for most people. Yay modern optional media! It's so much nicer than it used to be)

I mentioned Jaron Lanier in another comment… I've been watching VR try to establish itself and fail for close to 30 years now.

This product line already exists for years. Meta is just entering it.

It's essentially the xr-glasses /vr glasses category. Plenty of options around on stores

That’s interesting because I kept hearing so much about how its the ultimate movie theater.

If we really step back and think about how most people enjoy sports I think the whole idea of VR being a top tier option is a little silly.

Sports are very much community and family activities. How much fun are they to alone compared to watching with fans?

I see VR as something of a backup method like if you’re on a plane or something. And once we are thinking about that use case we might think to ourselves all the reasons why an iPad is better for that use case.

It’s HoloLens reinvented I guess.

Hololens was a transparent display with stuff drawn on top of it.

This has reality drawn on top of opaque display

I hope one day a version of this becomes mainstream enough that it justifies developing for it. It's the ergonomics that prevent that from happening, and moving toward glasses is one of the most important stepping stones. (though if you saw someone wearing "glasses" like this you would probably say it's stretching the definition of glasses)

When someone gets this right I do think we're all gonna ditch the 2d screens and phones.

It doesn't even matter if it's Meta that instigates this, if money is smelled there will be more consumer friendly alternatives popping up overnight (e.g. see how quickly the industry copied the iPhone).

Meta VR Glasses... and where they will be banned next!

I think I am still going to stick with the Steam Frame lmao

still worried about how much data this thing will collect about you

Steam Frame will be a big deal outside of VR

It's delusional to think people are going to drop $1k on an optional, almost-single-purpose gadget when most don't even spend that much on a laptop.

The only thing people are spending that much on are phones. But that's something people use all the time for years.

I had the oculus rift, sold it when they made me get a Facebook account (they might have backtracked on that). Bought a quest 2 thinking surely they have learned their lesson by now.

Nope.

Some of the decisions they made around ux are so insane I feel like ripping it off and throwing it across the room. I bet there are some properly talented people at meta, but someone senior is committed to making it suck. Wouldn't be surprised if it's zuck himself. So even though I'm passionate about it, I have no VR in my life because I can't afford another one

The battery life on these devices is way too low for that

You should look up the story behind Pokemon Go.

Proton published an article on that topic recently https://proton.me/blog/meta-smart-glasses-ai-robots

Ah! That's actually exactly why I don't use WhatsApp, Google, etc anymore.

When Meta bought Oculus a decade ago I though "why the heck are they buying this VR company..." which prompted me to read "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power" 2018 Shoshana Zuboff's book.

The idea is precisely that they don't need more of the same data, they have enough (even though they do need to keep them up to date) but they instead need more KINDS of data to keep on earning money from selling ads.

They don't care for the technology itself, only for ways to distinguish needs better and that's exactly what a new digital medium provides.

TL;DR: yes.

More compact lenses are a constant improvement, but one of the main things here is just moving compute and power off of your head. Which many have done before.

Honestly I don't know why that's not more common. I've used puck-based ones, they're great - far less heat and mass on your face is a major benefit. They're also usually easier to plan upgrades for, as the two most costly pieces (which do very different things and have very different progress cycles) are separated.

Yes, not too bad for a question the moderator didn't really ask. She's really good at diverting the topic to a less uncomfortable field. No wonder she's in charge of a platform with 3.07 billion monthly active users. Also note the tone and condescending attitude.

Correct, but that's also whataboutism. I know apathy can easily take over, but when you get laughed in the face just like that it feels really hopeless. No, it's not my first day on the internet and no, it's not the first time I see companies act like this, but something about this feels very wrong.

When you buy an iPhone that was made in sweatshop, you contribute to it. There are alternatives but most people really don’t mind having slave labor build their iPhone.

Same for kids wasting their life on screen, most parents don’t mind as long as it keep them busy and it’s one less thing to care about.

Yeah, I'm not sure why they're calling it that. XR glasses, maybe, but not VR if you can't actually have any immersion.

I think they're calling them "VR" because they use camera pass-through for AR, whereas all their other AR products are see-through. (I think this is a reasonable place to draw the line - pass-through AR kind of sucks in my experience. Although maybe a third category would be appropriate.)

That external compute block it comes with looks pretty chonky...

For money. There is barely any competition yet.

yet to be proven imo..

I thought Meta's approach to AR was pivoting towards transparent glasses with displays in the vein of Ray Ban Display and Orion (I realize that "VR" is in the title, but almost all the images show AR use cases). Their original vision for AR was to have people walking around with quest headsets in passthrough mode. But that's just too weird for the vast majority of people. I can't imaging walking around in public and ordering coffee with my eyes totally obscured behind a device. I saw a couple co-workers walking around wearing headsets like this when I worked at Reality Labs, but it was obvious to me and all my teammates that vanishingly few people would actually do that in public.

I guess the approach here is to shrink down the VR glasses and make them look more like normal glasses from a distance. But I still don't think I'd wear one of these walking around the mall or airport. Reduction in FOV is also a big negative. I'm not really sure where one would use this device over a Quest or the Ray Ban Display. It occupies this awkward middle point where it's not a transparent glass display, but it's also makes a lot of compromises compared to the rest of the VR line.

Now when I saw their video... ufff, not for me.

I'm sorry, just no. They look ridiculous.

hmm.. does this mean that the next version of apple vision pro will be spectacular?

Yes

It also tops Apple App store. Any similar tidbit about installs being bots for Apple?

My point is not the money spend but that bots not only create traffic on web sites but also app stores

No, I try to avoid products that continuously show a lack of respect for their users.

That's the whole purpose. It wants to pretend as if it was you, online.

Anything it does, you are responsible.

https://www.avclub.com/meta-muse-ai-human-labor not for long.

but openclaw was flop. Not many ppl using it after the initial hype.

people don't care about privacy; every post on snowden does well here but it's a fart in the wind to the general public

What's cool about giving all your life's data to Meta Muuuuse?

I dont thibk privacy conscious people are using muse, Im not.

Why? Does his model not get firmware updates anymore?

I was going to say. It's not 'the company', it's him. He has majority voting rights on everything

Zuckerberg needs to fix Zuckerberg first. Meta is going to remain as it is, otherwise.

Hardware looks good except the FoV is really bad, a huge downgrade compared to the Quest 3.

People don't even trust other people near them to use Meta hardware,

Video, showing how random Meta employees don't like slightly creepy stranger obviously using Meta glasses to record them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHKhYL3is5o

Meta allegedly took down the video when it was uploaded to their own platforms.

Honestly, I think at this point in order to fix Meta Zuckerberg needs to go. People will never trust a company with him in charge, without him they could start to rebuild trust with people.

I hate Meta with a passion but I think the real problem is not embracing Web XR and an open ecosystem. I love the Meta Quest 3 in terms of hardware but I haven't put the Quest on in 6 months because I don't play games so there is so little content. This solves nothing in terms of what I don't like about VR. The headset weight was no issue at all for me. Then trying to develop with the unreal engine and the Quest 3 was a complete joke. The best thing I seen in VR was the unreal engine VR demo. Everything else looks like a cartoon after that. What is the point of building this nice hardware and then a metaverse that isn't even up to 90s POVRAY standards. Like focusing on building a better web browser without the web.

After my experience with the Quest 3's software, I'm not really interested in anything Meta. That's ignoring the privacy issues and other issues with Meta as a company.

Also, I wish they'd stop hyping these devices for productivity when they know the text isn't sharp enough.

Agreed. When I tried the Apple Vision Pro, I was a little disappointed at the PPD (which is like, 34 to Quest's 25 or so), didn't expect to still be so sensitive to it.

But won't the low FOV make it impossible to glance at other displays, even if the text is sharp enough?

The text should be sharp enough on this one. It's sharper than Vision Pro and Bigscreen.

Same. Not touching anything Meta.

~ 65% of steam VR devices are from Meta:

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...

I see Disney+ 3D videos featured pretty heavily on the landing page.

I believe that launched as an Apple exclusive. I wonder if that means the millions of Oculus Quest headsets that have been gathering dust for years will finally have some immersive content worth watching.

Unfortunately, Meta's horrendous privacy policies precludes me from even considering purchasing one of their headsets.

In the keynote they said it supports DisplayPort over USB-C, so this should work great.

Yeah infinite office was vaporware, which made sense since prior meta device video res and ppd was too low for work.

2412 x 2288 per eye (and horizontal FoV is around 70 degrees). Not sure it's really enough for monitor replacement, but certainly an upgrade over Xreal's offerings.

This as a fully open source device or at least from a company worth trusting would be a great product.

SteamFrame it is! As far as I can tell the SteamFrame lets you install a different OS.

There's plenty of reason to still be skeptical about the future of VR, or Meta's practices, but shoving all of that aside it does look like a big step toward the level of comfort that's going to be needed for VR to succeed. Not at this price point, but it's incremental progress.

Yes, when the guy takes the device off to greet the person, good luck seeing any cable. It's magic!

erberg

This is one of the reasons I would never purchase hardware from Meta. If I need a subscription or account to use my own hardware that will be a hard no.

I do admire mark's tenacity

I might try it for work if it weren't made by meta.

I can and do wear my meta glasses in public. There's no way I can ever wear this in public

Blog post: https://about.fb.com/news/2026/09/introducing-meta-vr-glasse...

Not the parent commenter but I've found RSS feeds have replaced most of my desire to browse reddit, and other social media. You can even paste a YouTube channel into a feed reader to get a true channel subscriptions feed.

I love social media, it's so much fun. The algorithms are awesome.

Install Cold Turkey site blocker; block all social media channels with a slop "feed". (Facebook, instagram, reddit, etc.)

Youtube subs only to Science, History, Cozy content. Aggressively unfollow click bait.

Discord only with close personal friends who are chill.

Play single player games, or multiplayer games only with close personal friends.

The internet doesn't have to connect you with hordes of terminally online droolers.

Now this just makes me sad that Apple gave up on the lighter Vision Pro. I might actually use this... if it had a real OS

Depends on how the device gets data from your computer and how it connects. My Xreal Ones present themselves as a monitor via DP Alt mode when I plug them into my work laptop, switch to ultrwide mode (32:9 is my fav), and I'm done.

To use most VR headsets that are also standalone devices, I would start by fighting with IT on getting some kind of security exception to use the necessary software on my laptop, then get started with streaming/connecting/sharing screens with it. Hopefully.

These finally have enough resolution to comfortably replace regular displays for productivity work, surrounding you with as many monitors as you want. Better PPD than Vision Pro, in a much better form factor. Apparently it supports DisplayPort over USB-C as well. I think they will sell a lot of these.

I'm more excited for the new Snap Specs. I want to see devs get on with exploring the possibilities of a decently capable set of AR glasses.

Bonus: No Facebook BS.

https://youtu.be/aGnMbKwP36U?t=164

This is it then, right? You can connect a laptop to this. You don't have to watch movies on it. The FoV should be plenty for productivity.

Yeah, seems like RayNeo GT Max have proper 3DoF tracking. Shoot, now I need these :)

We’re upgrading from Pervert Glasses to Pervert Goggles, huh?

Stream hundreds of games with XBOX Cloud Gaming

This might be the killer app if latency is low enough.

Would like to have something like this, but will be Meta locked-in and die soon after it turns out only influencers seem to have fun with it

Why? I'm under the impression that all VR products are shit. At least metas seem to be departing from the very boring gamer space.

It looks like a hardware, but I’ll never buy it because it’s associated with Meta. They have lost my privacy trust.

They've been using that branding since last June (with the reorg into "Meta Superintelligence Labs"), for better or worse.