Amazing project! But man, that README is just a textbook example of LLM word salad. It's wild how these tools are so incredibly capable at many things, but their writing sticks out like a sore thumb
All good friend! I'm as guilty as anyone. It's a super cool project though.
Now that I have you on the hook, is there any benefit to this over virtio for a single KVM passthrough situation? I previously ran a proxmox based gaming PC setup (docs here: https://github.com/mtrudel/rabble/tree/4d9329f3dd0fb09123a8f...), and was lucky enough that the GPU passthrough part of that build 'just worked'. I'd started down a path of trying to share the GPU between VMs based on a naive 'one VM owns it at a time' setup, but never really got it off the ground.
The benefit is that you do not have a limit to how many VMs you can run at the same time. However, virtio-nvgpu has no Windows support as of yet, please check back in a while :)
You should check out Nestri [1], another project we are working on, that helps you do exactly that. It helps run multiple gaming sessions for you and your friends on the same GPU, without anyone meddling in the other person's session. Everyone gets to stream their game to whatever desktop or device they want. It is still a work-in-progress though.
LLMs are pretty good at translation, they're just pretty awful at generating natural-sounding English prose from scratch. In my opinion, probably the best solution is to simply write the README in your native tongue and use an LLM to translate it.
The percentage-overhead comparison is pretty choice nonsense. It has only percentages to try and "explain" that overheads don't matter if the system is slow anyhow.
A fair comparison would be this project vs virtio.
Virtio? what virtio? virtio native drm native context, is that what you mean? We actually use it in nesbox[1] for AMD/Intel cards.
Venus is the only one we could directly compare to, as it is the only one that supports Nvidia GPUs. vDRM works only on AMD/Intel GPUs and has a similar performance (~98% baremetal performance) to virtio-nvgpu.
it's not just literary authorship, it's pretty easy to spot LLM driven programming paradigms too, especially if you look at the test suites of a given package.
Claude is much worse for having a distinctive style you can spot from a mile away. I’ve found GPT-6 to not suffer from this or it’s insanely verbose markdown salad.
Edit: nvproxy is mentioned as the "direct inspiration" in the readme without mention of how this is different or why it doesn't use nvproxy as a backend.
We borrowed a lot of the architectural design from nvproxy, then built it to support graphical workloads. Plus it is reusable in such a way you can hot plug it into any microVM, cloud-hypervisor, maybe even Firecracker
Why not use normal GPU passthrough? I don't see how you can use this to share a GPU between multiple VMs, so what is the benefit of using this software over normal GPU passthrough with vfio-pci drivers?
With normal passthrough, your host loses access to the gpu, no? So you need to have two gpus, one for the host and one for the guest. Correct me, if I am wrong, but this should make the host fully operational on a single gpu and still let vm guests have headless access to the host gpu.
I am very sceptical about this. I have some experience in GPU virtualization and passthrough with Nvidia GPUs and they are really not designed to be able to share them with multiple guests/host without Nvidia's blessing (licenced drivers).
Yes they are not... we run the Nvidia drivers unmodified. Only thing we have done is make the guest driver think it's running on the host, talking to the host's GPU kernel.
It works really well with a ~2% performance penalty. Nvproxy by google/gvisor has been doing this for years.
You should try running it yourself and see how it goes :D
So you can share the GPU between multiple VMs? I can have 4 VMs simultaneously do work on the GPU?
And each one would have its own Nvidia driver? How do they not interfere with each other? I mean I am by no means an expert in GPU architecture or anything similar, but I thought the problems with sharing a GPU come from the differences between GPU vs CPU architecture. On the other hand, multiple processes on a host can run on the same GPU, but that is all using the same kernel. I am just very confused.
Amazing project! But man, that README is just a textbook example of LLM word salad. It's wild how these tools are so incredibly capable at many things, but their writing sticks out like a sore thumb
My bad, i am not a native English speaker... I did my best to try and brush it up. Terribly sorry if it did not match your flow.
All good friend! I'm as guilty as anyone. It's a super cool project though.
Now that I have you on the hook, is there any benefit to this over virtio for a single KVM passthrough situation? I previously ran a proxmox based gaming PC setup (docs here: https://github.com/mtrudel/rabble/tree/4d9329f3dd0fb09123a8f...), and was lucky enough that the GPU passthrough part of that build 'just worked'. I'd started down a path of trying to share the GPU between VMs based on a naive 'one VM owns it at a time' setup, but never really got it off the ground.
The benefit is that you do not have a limit to how many VMs you can run at the same time. However, virtio-nvgpu has no Windows support as of yet, please check back in a while :)
You should check out Nestri [1], another project we are working on, that helps you do exactly that. It helps run multiple gaming sessions for you and your friends on the same GPU, without anyone meddling in the other person's session. Everyone gets to stream their game to whatever desktop or device they want. It is still a work-in-progress though.
[1] https://github.com/nestrilabs/nestri
LLMs are pretty good at translation, they're just pretty awful at generating natural-sounding English prose from scratch. In my opinion, probably the best solution is to simply write the README in your native tongue and use an LLM to translate it.
This! Claude word salad is worse than maybe subpar translations, with which I'm sure PRs can help.
The percentage-overhead comparison is pretty choice nonsense. It has only percentages to try and "explain" that overheads don't matter if the system is slow anyhow.
A fair comparison would be this project vs virtio.
Virtio? what virtio? virtio native drm native context, is that what you mean? We actually use it in nesbox[1] for AMD/Intel cards.
Venus is the only one we could directly compare to, as it is the only one that supports Nvidia GPUs. vDRM works only on AMD/Intel GPUs and has a similar performance (~98% baremetal performance) to virtio-nvgpu.
[1] https://github.com/nestrilabs/nesbox
I meant vfio-pci.
it's not just literary authorship, it's pretty easy to spot LLM driven programming paradigms too, especially if you look at the test suites of a given package.
When the lines in the ASCII charts don't even line up my immediate assumption is that the author didn't even bother to glance at it.
Claude is much worse for having a distinctive style you can spot from a mile away. I’ve found GPT-6 to not suffer from this or it’s insanely verbose markdown salad.
I see everyone saying this but I've been using 6-astra lately and afaict it's not much better
Can this be used with a Windows guest?
No not yet, but that is in the roadmap.
How is this different than gVisor's nvproxy? https://gvisor.dev/docs/user_guide/gpu/#compatibility
Edit: nvproxy is mentioned as the "direct inspiration" in the readme without mention of how this is different or why it doesn't use nvproxy as a backend.
We borrowed a lot of the architectural design from nvproxy, then built it to support graphical workloads. Plus it is reusable in such a way you can hot plug it into any microVM, cloud-hypervisor, maybe even Firecracker
What are the isolation implications?
Why not use normal GPU passthrough? I don't see how you can use this to share a GPU between multiple VMs, so what is the benefit of using this software over normal GPU passthrough with vfio-pci drivers?
README mentions it supports up to 4 guests at a time sharing the GPU.
I am wondering how they managed to achieve that without using Nvidia vGPU drivers.
With normal passthrough, your host loses access to the gpu, no? So you need to have two gpus, one for the host and one for the guest. Correct me, if I am wrong, but this should make the host fully operational on a single gpu and still let vm guests have headless access to the host gpu.
Is it really that simple to split an Nvidia GPU between multiple users like that? I thought that you have to have specific drivers which support that.
Does it work under OpenStack?
Hrm, something of a lack of discussion about what level of access the card has to the host in the absence of IOMMU-restricted passthrough.
I am very sceptical about this. I have some experience in GPU virtualization and passthrough with Nvidia GPUs and they are really not designed to be able to share them with multiple guests/host without Nvidia's blessing (licenced drivers).
Yes they are not... we run the Nvidia drivers unmodified. Only thing we have done is make the guest driver think it's running on the host, talking to the host's GPU kernel.
It works really well with a ~2% performance penalty. Nvproxy by google/gvisor has been doing this for years.
You should try running it yourself and see how it goes :D
Does "how it goes" include the guest being able to DMA over the host kernel?
So you can share the GPU between multiple VMs? I can have 4 VMs simultaneously do work on the GPU?
And each one would have its own Nvidia driver? How do they not interfere with each other? I mean I am by no means an expert in GPU architecture or anything similar, but I thought the problems with sharing a GPU come from the differences between GPU vs CPU architecture. On the other hand, multiple processes on a host can run on the same GPU, but that is all using the same kernel. I am just very confused.