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Unknown number of Texas voter registrations went unprocessed due to DPS error

51 pointsby 1h agovotebeat.org
30 comments
19m agoHN ↗

the entire concept of "voter registration" (and associated shenanigans) is so alien to my European brain that I fail to see any reason why the richest country in the world does things this way other than voter suppression. What am I missing?

15m agoHN ↗

Which doesn’t happen all that often and the government is probably aware of who is a citizen and who isn’t.

6m agoHN ↗

The US doesn't have a population register in the same way as European countries do.

For reference, the Finnish voting experience is such that about a month before the election you get a card to your registered address, telling what the election is and what's your polling place. Then you show up on the day in question, show an ID, they check that against their list and off you go.

15m agoHN ↗

Why should non-citizens be excluded from voting? If the community they live in makes a democratic decision they should be included.

7m agoHN ↗

Simply because it's ripe for abuse. I would never expected to vote as a non permanent resident, any place I live.

15m agoHN ↗

Are the non-citizen voters in the room with us right now?

12m agoHN ↗

Do you think other countries don't have 'non-citizens'?

9m agoHN ↗

Thats not how it works. You usually have a few places you can vote in, and there is a list of names that are checked, then you vote.

Its not like immigrant X from country Y can vote willy nilly.

This is not rocked science. Every citizen is automatically allowed to vote, and IF you cant vote where you are supposed to you can handle this case specially.

5m agoHN ↗

Surely the government already knows who is a citizen (otherwise it would not be able to stop noncitizens from registering), so surely it would be trivial for the government to use this list of citizens to send out ballots?

Citizen baby is born? Add them to the list of citizens. Citizen dies? Remove them from the list of citizens. Citizen moves? Have them inform their new municipality about their change of address - which they'll probably need to do anyways for tax and mail reasons.

14m agoHN ↗

so alien to my European brain

Voter registration is mandatory in France.

10m agoHN ↗

You think there’s no voter fraud in Europe?

7m agoHN ↗

Yes. Just like there is basically zero fraud in America. This isn't a problem. It is only for the dumbest people who believe Trump that 'millions of illegal immigrants voted' yet they haven't produced a single bit of evidence to prove it, but I'm sure it's real.

10m agoHN ↗

If someone can't bother registering to vote, they shouldn't vote. Only active citizens, who are wiling to put some effort in should vote, voting is not an activity that aught to be taken lightly.

9m agoHN ↗

Do you live in one of the European countries that has a registry of all citizens? At some point, the government needs to have some notion of who you are. The US has no central registry, so it gets pushed out to the periphery like this.

6m agoHN ↗

The model was conceived when there were wide plain, few people and traveling messaging results took days to weeks. And it was never adapted. I'd say most of European voting was with shorter distances, higher population density and newer technology.

5m agoHN ↗

It's the price paid for not having a general population register. You only need to enroll to vote if you want to vote, and the voter registration is (theoretically) only for that purpose and won't be used for other purposes. Every government interaction in the anglosphere works this way; you always have to reprove your id and address from scratch.

4m agoHN ↗

It's a distinct blue/red state issue. Blue states go out of their way to register as many of their residents as possible and allow same day registration.

The red states, Republicans use it as a tool to suppress urban, non-white voters and reduce participation and don't consider passive suppression techniques to be voter fraud.

16m agoHN ↗

It'll be the least shocking thing ever to find out this "error" disproportionately affected Democratic leaning districts.

12m agoHN ↗

So - we found a bug, are fixing it, and it will cause an extra load on the people sorting through the backlog. Seems like a system working as it should. Bugs happen, and it is this kind of situation which makes me glad individual states manage their own voting systems - a problem in one doesn’t impact everyone.

As a TX resident possibly affected by this, I for one am grateful for my neighbors at the local election office working hard to get this resolved.

12m agoHN ↗

When I first registered in Texas, they told me that something didn’t match the details with Social Security and that they couldn’t process my registration. Unfortunately, they never told me exactly what didn’t match. After chasing Social Security and the county multiple times, I eventually figured out that someone had put an extra space in my middle name. The staff processing my request were very helpful, but unfortunately, they didn’t even know what exactly was not matching.

It’s really unfortunate that you have the burden of proving that your information is correct. It took me about 6/7 weeks to complete the entire process.

They also mail you a voter registration card (which itself isn’t useful anywhere), and if, for any reason, it doesn’t reach you, your name will be suspended from the list.

The whole process feels like it’s designed to discourage people from voting.

8m agoHN ↗

Maybe that's because it is, maybe most people the current Texas leadership want to get votes from are not the ones that newly first register in Texas?

4m agoHN ↗

The whole process feels like it’s designed to discourage people from voting.

It is, with specific emphasis on discouraging people in cities from voting. The state has done all sorts of fuckery to limit the ability of people in urban centers from having any voice in government. Some of the most incredible gerrymanders in the country, limits on voting locations and times imposed specifically on large cities, many small frictions to make voting more time-consuming and expensive.

It's why they can get away with naked corruption and bumbling incompetence and still retain a firm hold on power. Well, that, and copious oil billionaire money flowing to Texas elections.

3m agoHN ↗

When corporations use similar tactics we call them “dark patterns”. Unfortunately, the only weapon we the people have against these tactics is regulation. But when it’s the government doing these things… anyway. Hope the Democratic Party has learned that conservative leadership won’t evolve their platform, they’ll reject democracy.

11m agoHN ↗

Everything's bigger in Texas, including the corruption and incompetence of state government.