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Previously unheard recordings of John Coltrane, captured by Frank Tiberi

37 pointsby 2d agojazzwise.com
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3h agoHN ↗

John Coltrane has a special meaning in jazz for me.

I don't see any other musician creating harmonies as rich as him. Yes, not even Miles Davis, Bill Evans or Tom Jobim (other jazz musicians that I like a lot).

It is surprising how fresh and accessible his music remains today. He never became a top hit, but also never stopped being relevant.

3h agoHN ↗

When you say accessible I guess you're excluding his free jazz period. And "rich" harmonies doesn't really mean anything. If you're saying that he stacks more extensions than Bill Evans, that seems hard to quantify.

52m agoHN ↗

And "rich" harmonies doesn't really mean anything.

I can't even begin to comprehend how you can't understand that someone can write harmonically rich music.

3h agoHN ↗

And the recordist, Frank Tiberi, is a jazz saxophonist and has played with the Woody Herman big band (with whom I saw in the 70s). Also teaches at Berklee College of Music in Boston.

3h agoHN ↗

I picked a hell of a day to stop impulse shopping.

1h agoHN ↗

Career musician here. My dirty secret is that Coltrane doesn’t resonate with me at all. Not one iota; despite me being a huge jazz fan.

For my taste, his harmonic language tips over the threshold where it goes from being viscerally enjoyable to a more heady, academic exercise. It all feels like a blur to me. Maximal in it’s vocabulary, and yet flat in it’s overall effect. It’s often so dense that it ends up feeling “same-y” and grey to me. Like Schoenberg’s serial music.

Maybe my impression here comes from the fact that by the time I began listening to him in the mid 2000’s an entire school of derivative jazz players had long since developed upon and retroactively made his innovations feel far more common (to no fault of his own). It’s that flavor of jazz where you get the impression that the players are enjoying this way more than the audience. It’s not for me.

1h agoHN ↗

Seinfeld effect but for jazz! Seems very possible to me.

9m agoHN ↗

Which era Trane are you talking about? The man went through at least 4 major shifts. I’m guessing you are talking about Giant Steps and the later avant garde years?

He did a lot of stuff too which is not dense at all and very approachable - Naima, A Love Supreme, My Favorite Things, Kind of Blue with Miles, a lot more, enjoyable, classic albums.

Dig deeper

5m agoHN ↗

Not a career musician - just a musician, pianist.

I love Coltrane - I find the complexity lyrical, like Art Tatum or Django Reinhardt in their respective disciplines - or if you throw back, Liszt, Chopin, the other bloody show-offs who could sing with an instrument. I dunno. It talks to me, but I guess at the end of the day it’s all just taste.

40m agoHN ↗

Sometimes these "security" solutions make you wonder whether someone took the joke about a machine without a network connection being the most secure seriously. First visit ever to this domain and:

   Sorry, you have been blocked
   You are unable to access jazzwise.com

   Why have I been blocked?

   This website is using a security service to protect itself from online 
   attacks. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. There 
   are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a
   certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data.
20m agoHN ↗

Some blacklists last forever even though most ip leases only last a day or two.