We're building an AI computer for consumers, most of whom are quite hesitant with existing services due to privacy concerns and because of costs that add up when using various AI tools.
Stop the environmental damage of data centres by... Making extra hardware and moving inference to a less efficient area? This only makes sense if you're on off-grid solar.
How did they nail down a price but no specs? Very odd.
They're targetting people who want AI and will spend thousands, but don't know enough to ask _any_ details? Why wouldn't that audience just be on chatgpt?
The chat UI is duplicating the chatgpt/claude web chats, where you've got a list of chats on the left and each new thing you wanna do is expected to be a new chat, and maybe it has memories it writes to or can search chats to cross reference.
I've been using these things a bit differently lately, more of a personal assistant - probably more of the OpenClaw setup I'd guess, though I haven't used OpenClaw. I have my macbook running constantly and it has a session running for reach of my projects, plus one session called pa (personal assistant) which is set up to track tasks and to talk to all the other sessions.
The pa is the only session I directly interact with anymore. It's got it's own Signal account and a single Signal chat is the way I interact with all my sessions. Actually, there are a few sessions run on other machines too that it knows how to get to, but mostly it's just the per-project sessions on my macbook.
I think that's how I'm gonna want stuff like this to work - mostly in one single text thread that delegates to the others. The others don't have to be totally invisible, being able to drop into them individually would be fine as long as it doesn't interfere with the simplicity of the main thread.
So the PA itself isn't really a problem, it mostly just delegates to other sessions and if it has personal assistant-type work to do, it uses subagents. The per-project sessions are also meant to use subagents liberally.
But the actual answer is just one session per project and auto-compacting. Actually I run into usage limits on both codex and claude max subscriptions and so there is also a fair bit of it having to do codex/claude handoffs which is like a worse auto-compact.
I am quite sure I get worse results at a higher cost than I do for my actual day job, where I'm taking ownership of code, getting the actual code I want, and therefore doing a lot more manual context management.
But for side projects and other personal computer usage it's all vibing and auto-compacting.
Interesting, I've thought of setting up something like this. I would agree with the other comments I want to know more about what is inside the box. Also waiting 12 months for them to start shipping sounds like a long lead time. Is it still a personal computer without a screen and an operating system? How many watts is the Panda?
I love the idea of this. But things are moving too fast and $20 / month to have a frontier model is something a $3000 non upgradeable black box running an open source model can't compete with.
Pretty cool idea. I'd love to see more about who the team is and how the open source models underneath it work and if they can be swapped out.
Wonder how much RAM
Stop the environmental damage of data centres by... Making extra hardware and moving inference to a less efficient area? This only makes sense if you're on off-grid solar.
Really needs some details on what hardware is in there / what models it can run.
Yeah, I'd rather revamp a Steam machine, for which we know exact specs even pre-launch.
Pretty cool! Which models are you running locally? Can users pick/change between models?
No way I can put any money down without knowing the specs. Unless I am missing something, I didn't see anything on the homepage.
How did they nail down a price but no specs? Very odd.
They're targetting people who want AI and will spend thousands, but don't know enough to ask _any_ details? Why wouldn't that audience just be on chatgpt?
Probably just vaporware at this moment.
hm so it can be reached from anywhere outside, which is scary. It appears to have a speaker or open vent on top but no audio/voice/tts/stt capability?
If I had a device "all AI" for home, stt/tts would be my minimum requirement. Being able to reach it from outside, that's a negative mark for me.
What justifies the claim of being "the world's first personal AI computer"? There are many computers catering to local AI on the market.
Shipping Dec 2027... I don't know about you, but at the rate of current pace, I don't know what to expect at the end of 2027.
Exactly especially without any hardware specs. This thing could be outdated in early 2027 let alone December.
The chat UI is duplicating the chatgpt/claude web chats, where you've got a list of chats on the left and each new thing you wanna do is expected to be a new chat, and maybe it has memories it writes to or can search chats to cross reference.
I've been using these things a bit differently lately, more of a personal assistant - probably more of the OpenClaw setup I'd guess, though I haven't used OpenClaw. I have my macbook running constantly and it has a session running for reach of my projects, plus one session called pa (personal assistant) which is set up to track tasks and to talk to all the other sessions.
The pa is the only session I directly interact with anymore. It's got it's own Signal account and a single Signal chat is the way I interact with all my sessions. Actually, there are a few sessions run on other machines too that it knows how to get to, but mostly it's just the per-project sessions on my macbook.
I think that's how I'm gonna want stuff like this to work - mostly in one single text thread that delegates to the others. The others don't have to be totally invisible, being able to drop into them individually would be fine as long as it doesn't interfere with the simplicity of the main thread.
How do you manage context?
Not a gotcha, just trying to understand how your setup works
So the PA itself isn't really a problem, it mostly just delegates to other sessions and if it has personal assistant-type work to do, it uses subagents. The per-project sessions are also meant to use subagents liberally.
But the actual answer is just one session per project and auto-compacting. Actually I run into usage limits on both codex and claude max subscriptions and so there is also a fair bit of it having to do codex/claude handoffs which is like a worse auto-compact.
I am quite sure I get worse results at a higher cost than I do for my actual day job, where I'm taking ownership of code, getting the actual code I want, and therefore doing a lot more manual context management.
But for side projects and other personal computer usage it's all vibing and auto-compacting.
No specs. No examples of models it can run. No idea if any of the source will be available.
Basically vapourware.
Not just vaporware but a scam to collect the $100 deposits and disappear.
December 2027 shipping date is hilarious for an AI hardware product.
This has to be a scam for normies to forget about the deposit they made by ship time.
This looks like it could be very useful for about 3 months. If you're lucky those 3 months will occur after it launches.
Interesting, I've thought of setting up something like this. I would agree with the other comments I want to know more about what is inside the box. Also waiting 12 months for them to start shipping sounds like a long lead time. Is it still a personal computer without a screen and an operating system? How many watts is the Panda?
How much control over the AI does the end user have? Can I direct the AI in any way I choose (ie., tell it do "evil" of some sort)?
Is this a Magic Jack class thing?
I want this to be a thing, but a $3000 non-upgradable box is not the way we’re going to get there.
nVidia DGX and AMD Strix Point have been out for months already...
I love the idea of this. But things are moving too fast and $20 / month to have a frontier model is something a $3000 non upgradeable black box running an open source model can't compete with.