I think that Jensen's position as the guy selling the proverbial shovels incentivizes him to take a lot of irresponsible positions (namely around safety) but imo he's fundamentally correct here.
'Fair play' is a dimension of competition. They aren't orthogonal attributes.
You can compete fairly or unfairly.
In any event, distillation seems to be in a grey enough area that reasonable people can disagree (IMO). It strikes me as more akin to theft than to fair competition, but it doesn't seem like it should be treated as criminal. Rather, I think the onus should be on the labs to defend themselves against it.
All that said, Jensen's take is clearly quite biased.
Can someone answer this monumentally dumb question: if anthropic cares so much, why don't they meganerf their thinking summaries (edit: in Claude Code) the way OpenAI does? OpenAI's thinking traces so much that the Codex app doesnt even show them.
It's not there in the chatui but claude code shows more reasoning than they need to.
im not suggesting that they should, but it's so much more than the garbage both antigravity and codex show to users. seems like a thing a company paranoid about distillation would reign in.
I think it would be totally incoherent to say that copyrighted information is essentially fair game to include in your model but the outputs of your model are privileged against being included in other models.
I'm not sure "competition" is necessarily the right word but I don't think that model creators and their political backers have a leg to stand on when complaining about distillation.
Sandy Monroe would likely agree, he tears down cars and sells what he learns, all the big auto companies buy info about competitor cars
Why should Ai be different?
The remarks of a CEO are self-serving by definition. Otherwise he would be vulnerable to shareholder lawsuits.
Don’t know why this is down voted. Jensen Huang has literally made this comment on stage when asked critical questions.
His company has been public longer than you’ve been solvent.
I think that Jensen's position as the guy selling the proverbial shovels incentivizes him to take a lot of irresponsible positions (namely around safety) but imo he's fundamentally correct here.
Competition? It's just fair play.
'Fair play' is a dimension of competition. They aren't orthogonal attributes.
You can compete fairly or unfairly.
In any event, distillation seems to be in a grey enough area that reasonable people can disagree (IMO). It strikes me as more akin to theft than to fair competition, but it doesn't seem like it should be treated as criminal. Rather, I think the onus should be on the labs to defend themselves against it.
All that said, Jensen's take is clearly quite biased.
Can someone answer this monumentally dumb question: if anthropic cares so much, why don't they meganerf their thinking summaries (edit: in Claude Code) the way OpenAI does? OpenAI's thinking traces so much that the Codex app doesnt even show them.
Haven't they already? (at least in the regular chat UI)
It's not there in the chatui but claude code shows more reasoning than they need to.
im not suggesting that they should, but it's so much more than the garbage both antigravity and codex show to users. seems like a thing a company paranoid about distillation would reign in.
Thinking traces aren't in the Claude app (at least, not visibly). I assumed it's only available (if at all) via API.
I think it would be totally incoherent to say that copyrighted information is essentially fair game to include in your model but the outputs of your model are privileged against being included in other models.
I'm not sure "competition" is necessarily the right word but I don't think that model creators and their political backers have a leg to stand on when complaining about distillation.