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Flock Wants the Most Detailed Map of Its Surveillance Cameras Taken Offline

81 pointsby 1h agotheintercept.com
31 comments
1h agoHN ↗

If Flock wants to be used by public services, it should be subject to maximum transparency. If you don't want your camera locations public, don't offer them to the public for their use.

1h agoHN ↗

IMO, when they have to hide, that's the beginning of the end. Too many people are aware of the what/why now. And above all else, once the tables turn on elected officials and they realize they're under the same surveillance, I bet their tune will change (likely due to a public egg-on-face moment involving illegal or suspicious activity). If people keep the pressure on, this will be a "remember when" rather quickly.

55m agoHN ↗

Some of that is already happening, in DC of all places, where the DC Police Officer's Union is protesting against use of Flock by ... the DC Police (albeit Internal Affairs).

Something about "this technology is invasive and violates the right to privacy of our members"...

44m agoHN ↗

Government officials should be highly transparent. Privacy for the people, transparency for the government.

34m agoHN ↗

There's a balance that needs to be struck, politicians are humans too

30m agoHN ↗

Not once they put themselves into the public sphere. They become chattel, bought and sold by special interests.

24m agoHN ↗

Politicians are humans who knowingly choose to enter public office for the sake of exercising power, whether for altruistic or nefarious reasons (or some combination thereof).

The power is why politicians deserve greater scrutiny than the average person, and anyone who wants to keep their privacy intact can choose not to run for office. The loss of privacy (usually at the hands of the press) is already an implied cost of running for and holding office.

19m agoHN ↗

I think there's a balance that needs to be struck, in proportion to actual power. A senator or cabinet member deserves more scrutiny than a small town city clerk. Also, there are private individuals who knowingly exercise more power than that clerk.

15m agoHN ↗

You are making a political statement there, does that not make you a politician?

30m agoHN ↗

I'm waiting to find out that Flock systems do not log the data when the plates are recognized as gov't issued plates.

1h agoHN ↗

Could the map's creator be held liable if Flock can demonstrate this map in particular was used to destroy cameras?

1h agoHN ↗

In my uninformed opinion that would be a dangerous precedent if there is no proven collusion or conspiracy to act together. I anal though so I'll wait for people who know the law to respond.

1h agoHN ↗

Highly unlikely (but hey, anything's possible when you're flirting with an authoritarian regime). They would need to demonstrate that the map was made TO destroy cameras if to have real merit.

27m agoHN ↗

Can Google/Apple/et al be held liable if demonstrated that any criminal used maps in prep for any crime?

1h agoHN ↗

I still want to see a driving game, perhaps using Google maps, where you try to get from point A to point B and not pass any Flock cameras.

57m agoHN ↗

That would make for a “fun” (if depressing) Glider environmental hazard.

54m agoHN ↗

I’m working on an OpenStreetMap-powered map generator in Godot, this would probably be quite easy to build.

1h agoHN ↗

I would like to point out that the website in question has a button to download the entire dataset. Probably would be a good idea to save a copy.

54m agoHN ↗

Clickbait. The website proprietor received a 3rd party trademark infringement complaint. If people in the company would prefer the map to be offline, they are taking a very roundabout way of accomplishing it.

  On Thursday, Michael was notified that Doppel, which describes itself as an “AI-native social engineering defense platfom,” filed a trademark infringement complaint regarding his site, claiming to be working on Flock’s behalf. Doppel says that the site is using the trademark “FLOCK SAFETY” without authorization, which “may cause customer confusion / harm.” Doppel requested the site be taken down.
37m agoHN ↗

they are taking a very roundabout way of accomplishing it

  Doppel requested the site be taken down.

Actually that seems pretty direct.

13m agoHN ↗

The article says it's a trademark dispute. A cease and desist letter is a normal part of the process.

22m agoHN ↗

The fact that they can't go to the court and say "It pisses me off that this guy is doing what he's doing" and instead have to, ya know, try a case based on the actual laws that exist, seems to be confusing you about what "direct legal action" is.

54m agoHN ↗

Axon and Motorola must be pretty satisfied with all this.

45m agoHN ↗

for what it's worth, the DeFlock maps also include Axon/Motorola cams. they pick up my city's custom implementation too so the anti-surveillance movement is really benefiting from this Flock-focused hate

5m agoHN ↗

worth something! I wasn't aware that they picked those up.

43m agoHN ↗

flock CEO's last name is "Langley" ? you can't make this stuff up.

7m agoHN ↗

Jimmy CIA here to sell you a new security product.

36m agoHN ↗

Interesting that the site is only available in the US. I wonder why that is.

35m agoHN ↗

I am starting a surveillance company in the US. I'll sell the data to anyone who wants. I'll put cameras up wherever I like, call it protection of the people, the police will enjoy it doing a lot of work for them and then I'll point cameras squarely at my competition, 24 hours a day, 365 a year, until they ask for regulations.

If anyone would like to kickstart let me know.

5m agoHN ↗

Y Combinator had no problem backing Flock, you should give them a try.