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The new Firefox design is here

44 pointsby 1h agoblog.mozilla.org
48 comments
38m agoHN ↗

“Warm, but still precise” is an interesting goal. I wonder how much users actually feel that difference, though.

19m agoHN ↗

I still have hilarious memories of "aerodynamic tabs" in that era of Firefox design docs.

34m agoHN ↗

I want the page headings to look like tabs, not pills. You don't have to be different for the sake of it

23m agoHN ↗

It's not different, it's just what Apple is doing (Safari uses pills).

In fact, I propose that all computer User Interface design proceeds as:

    D(s) = (1 / (c * s + 1)) * (A(s) + N(s))

Where c is some constant, A is what Apple is doing and N is random noise.

29m agoHN ↗

Is their overview video doing it for literally anyone at all? I would love to not be infantilized.

18m agoHN ↗

Ooof, it's definitely not just you. I definitely root for Mozilla to succeed and think they're critical in the grand scheme of the browser wars, but that video is rough. It's practically Cocomelon.

5m agoHN ↗

They're trying to regain mass market appeal because the only people using it now are diehard nerds, the video isn't for you

28m agoHN ↗

Let me guess: even more whitespace, hiding stuff for a "clean" look like a baby toy.

28m agoHN ↗

Remarkably few images of design on this page about design. No I'm not going to watch a video.

23m agoHN ↗

Most of them are creative renderings too, not actual screenshots.

Besides the fake macOS window controls for some renderings, I don’t see how one would close, minimize, or zoom windows with this new design.

22m agoHN ↗

There are remarkably few examples in the video as well

21m agoHN ↗

Seriously, are you proud of the new look? SHOW IT TO ME. Even the video was mostly themed mock-ups that didn't show what the actual design looks like. Just post a screenshot of the whole browser.

23m agoHN ↗

Out of curiosity, if you use the split view, why? I never understood what it can do that my window manager cannot, but maybe I am overlooking something?

21m agoHN ↗

Sometimes is just nice to have a tab related to an activity, which might involve having two web sites open

19m agoHN ↗

I suppose that depends what your window manager is and how it's configured? Most don't have an easy way to lock two windows together as they are moved as one though - especially on corporate devices.

Practically, it's most useful when I have two references for the same thing I want to move together as I work on that thing. E.g. Jira + Functional Spec as I do things related to them.

15m agoHN ↗

Well, for one I use it to watch two videos at the same time.

10m agoHN ↗

Convenience.

For a non technical user it is much easier to right click a link (for example a reference in a news article) and choose Split View than arrange two windows (which may involve 2 different monitors).

For a Teams/Zoom screen where you are sharing only one app rather than whole desktop, again split may help.

Also good for mental switching, as you can open a link to the side and either promote to it's own tab/close and carry on with same page rather than have it open separately and break the flow

It's just another tool.

10m agoHN ↗

I do it sometimes for highly related work (referencing on tab against the other) that will be a longer running task (30+ minutes).

It means that both tabs get maximized and minimized at the same time, and the two tabs are always side by side. Which means if I need to jump to another task, like answering a message or joining a video call, I can get back to my work faster. It’s a small thing that helps with context switching.

I do it when I consider both side of the Split View one unified context I am working on. I do it not only with browser tabs, but sometimes terminal tabs. I most commonly do it with IDE tabs.

9m agoHN ↗

I use a tiling wm, but the split view is more compact because it doesnt have two (vertical) tab bars. Useful on a cramped laptop, less so on a large screen

7m agoHN ↗

I don’t use split view much, but I can understand the appeal.

It makes a lot of sense if one uses subject-based browser windows (e.g. 1 window == 1 subject); it keeps all tab organization within the browser and makes it easy to minimize it, move it to different windows, save/restore it, etc consistently with less overhead (no secondary organization system [such as that of the window manager] involved).

This becomes even more valuable for cross-platform users who sync and can’t rely on their favorite uberleet-haxor-wm package being available everywhere.

4m agoHN ↗

The big selling point is that everything stays in the same window.

- The split view is a special looking tab you can come too easily. - You can have several split views in the same window. - Selecting what tab you want in the split view is much cleaner than tearing off tabs into windows. - No conceptual switch between "tab" and "window".

22m agoHN ↗

Firefox needs to start adding actual embedded functionality improvements rather than constantly tweaking the UX. Chrome's integration with Googgle Pay for example (which lets you generate virtual card numbers on the fly) is what allowed Capital One to replace their browser agnostic extension. Now I cannot use Capital One virtual card number generator in my checkout workflow if I don't move to Chrome.

20m agoHN ↗

I wish Firefox would stop rolling out redesigns, color themes, and other visual tweaks every couple years and instead focus on features and bugs.

Improve Adblock capabilities, better tab and session management, improve sync, improve site css and js management, built in dark-mode.

Hell, just look at the list of most used extensions, it’s a great place to start understanding what users want.

7m agoHN ↗

they can't focus on adblock because most of their money comes from google

7m agoHN ↗

built in dark-mode

It has built-in dark mode, check out the Themes in your settings.

20m agoHN ↗

Lots of pooh pooh, lots of blah blah, almost nothing on show.

20m agoHN ↗

FF has been my primary browser for 20 years. But in the past 6 months it spawns so many FF processes from a single web page with advertising like yahoo - 60 FF processes or more - that it's unusable. The X button to stop it doesn't work, and going to another website can take upwards of 10 seconds. I am looking for an another browser.

16m agoHN ↗

Which in turn is essentially the Arc browser's UI

15m agoHN ↗

"We have Arc Browser at home".

More seriously, it's nice to see this UI finally copied by a major browser, but sad that there's still no real replacement for Arc.

18m agoHN ↗

I think Firefox is doing a good job overall.

18m agoHN ↗

I just updated. I think it looks great overall, but there is way too much lost space on the horizontal tabs.

12m agoHN ↗

Try out the Compact UI mode (Settings -> Appearance -> Window Density), which I didn't know about until I read this blog post. Tightens things up nicely.

17m agoHN ↗

I gave it a few minutes of trial and then disabled it.

With memory prices increasing, many people unable to afford new machines, and web browsers being one of those things that can potentially take a lot of system resources, I wish the Firefox team would prioritize CPU and memory performance of the core engine for users with lots of tabs.

I have stuff like 'Auto tab discard' installed but it seems to break other things, like 'Close Duplicate Tabs'.

9m agoHN ↗

so sad you have to use the surveillance enabled chrome browser now, I feel so sorry for you

8m agoHN ↗

768 tabs open. Total suspender works great.

12m agoHN ↗

The UI was tidy and nearly perfect, now it's all over the place: weird paddings, different borders radiuses even within a single element, clashing background colors, and boy, do I love rainbow gradients everywhere.

For those unhappy with the changes, you can roll them back for now:

  about:config -> browser.nova.enabled -> false
10m agoHN ↗

I cannot find a setting to disable the gradient. It's very annoying indeed.

8m agoHN ↗

I just turned off auto-updates after reading this. Safe for now.

5m agoHN ↗

The gradient is part of the theme. Updated the post with how to roll back the UI changes for now. After rolling back, select an old theme.

10m agoHN ↗

OMFG! Look at the massive amount of space between the stupid pill shaped tabs - this is the exact opposite of what I want as a tab hoarder! If I wanted to use a shitty safari UI that sacrifices usability for cutesy looks, I would use Safari.

I am still having to use an extension (Sidebery) because Firefox failed to implement vertical tabs half as good. On my MBP, I have two rows of small panel icons to switch between 2 rows of 8 different categories of tabs (16 panels). Below that, I have 3 rows of pinned tabs on each panel (24 pinned tabs). Below that, I can see 24 open tabs without scrolling. That's 48 visible tabs per panel and with a single panel click, I can see a different set of 48 tabs. That makes a total of 768 tabs accessible via a single click. Now that is an amazing UI/UX - not some designer pill shaped tabs (that Safari has had for years).

Mozilla: why in the hell do I need to trust some extension builder to give me an amazing UI/UX? Instead of copying Apple's bad decisions - innovate!

p.s. I don't get why in the hell anyone who has more than 10 tabs open at once isn't using vertical tabs? Especially when most monitors have more horizontal pixels than vertical.

7m agoHN ↗

Mozilla: why in the hell do I need to trust some extension builder to give me an amazing UI/UX?

Because Mozilla is basically owned by Google, neither of them care about you or your UX, and Ladybird isn't ready yet.

4m agoHN ↗

Sideberry is GOAT, nothing can beat its flexibility.

I wouldn’t really expect base experience to match what it offers, so as long as Firefox doesn’t break extensions for power users, I am more than happy to see them experimenting with stuff that could help to win back some of the audience.

7m agoHN ↗

I keep trying to switch from Chrome to Firefox. I had been trying pretty hard this last time but now this... >sigh<

Change for change's sake is so damn tiring.

7m agoHN ↗

This is horrible. I still can't find out how to disable the new border radius. The compact option kind of saves it but this is absolutely horrible.

Are they forcing this? You have got to be kidding me. Why force a change like this instead of adding this as an additional UI customization feature? Why is this happening? Is this making them money or is this to cater to the ego of some product manager?

The "Ash" theme saves the theme for me. The sidebar is easily disabled by clicking the settings icon on the bottom of the sidebar and selecting the easily spottable option. I cannot find how to disable this border radius.

I can't believe they're forcing these pills. What a fucking hostile, brazen change. Yeah, fuck you too Mozilla.

6m agoHN ↗

I struggle to use UIs like in the image shown under "Compact Mode". I can't tell what is/isn't clickable, since there are no bevels or other visual indicators (maybe something changes on mouse-over? but that's too late to indicate that I should try mousing-over!)

Thankfully user-chrome still seems to work, so these things can be overridden (and LLMs make those overrides easier to write & maintain).

5m agoHN ↗

Finally, the one thing users have been asking for! The N+1 Firefox redesign!