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Walter Benjamin, Theodor Adorno, and the critique of pop culture

53 pointsby 12y agonewyorker.com
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12y agoHN ↗

"Culture appears more monolithic than ever, with a few gigantic corporations—Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon—presiding over unprecedented monopolies."

As opposed to when? When William Randolph Hearst ruled the press? Dickensian England? Even Big Media of my 90s youth.

Culture is always monolithic because it is shared behaviour. Go back to the salons of Europe or Ancient Greece and you would have this exact same argument. Misanthropy posing as a noble cry for utopianism, in my mind.

12y agoHN ↗

Well, for what it's worth the New Yorker writing on Adorno isn't necessarily a scholarly interpretation of his work.

12y agoHN ↗

There were always alternatives and sub cultures. In previous centuries these existed mainly in other countries. Today the impression is that a) the sub cultures have disappeared, b) the other countries cultures have merged into one. You question "As opposed to when" is a good one - we compare everything with now - and we can say that now things appear to be larger in scale. Yes, for those within the culture, culture is monolithic to them - to look at Culture from outside you can see it's bigger and more encompassing. I think that's what the quote was about.

In the article, the idea most interesting to me was about how traditional "high" culture (books, plays, opera) are still considered elitist when it's the mass culture of celebrities which comprise the elites. It was a passing idea and I'd like to hear more about that.

12y agoHN ↗

Maybe you're right about Apple, Nike, other gigantic corporations that sell products and set trends for the market. Google And Facebook are different beasts. They shape culture in a way and with means that really were not possible before. The first does it by managing his role as the funneled entrance to the more vast base of freely accessible knowledge humanity has ever created; the second one achieves it by leveraging the once invisible web of relationships that tie us all together.

12y agoHN ↗

An excellent article covering the meaning technology adds to, or subtracts from, elements of culture as it is today. Whether or not culture is truly "monolithic" depends on which parts are considered.

Does the Internet put a different spin on what a culture is? Instant and ubiquitous transmission around the globe flattens distinctions among cultures, but constantly emerging countertrends oppose the current culture reducing its longevity. 21st century culture is in constant ferment, "pop" cultures have a much shorter, and less distinguished, shelf life.

The idea of an "aura" emanating from a Rembrandt has merit, though comparable art of current era has hardly any value in the cultural or commercial marketplace. Instead, as pointed out, the aura is granted to celebrities in all domains, appearing and leaving, and unlike Rembrandt, there's no museum to view them 400 hours or years after fading from the scene.

The shame is there is no value to assign if a thing can't persist. How do we preserve our artifacts that will tell who we were to people 100 years from now? Those living today can't know what will be important, or called valuable, a century down the road, and we should not try to decide ahead of time because we can't.

IOW our self-evaluation of contemporary culture is hampered by impossibility of seeing what is invisible. The value of the things we produce, of present culture itself, won't be decided for 50 to 100 years from now, if any trace is still around. The jury is out and we won't be around to hear the verdict.

12y agoHN ↗

There are lots of interesting and insightful critics of capitalism from a left point of view that don't rely on postmodern garbage. Read Russell, Orwell, Chomsky, Said, hell, anything but postmodern theorists.

12y agoHN ↗

Adorno, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Marcuse, Habermas etc. are definitely not "postmodern." (Said, on the other hand, often is considered po-mo.) Even if they were, you shouldn't simply dismiss them as "garbage."

12y agoHN ↗

What I find interesting is just how prescient a lot of the postmodern theorists were...

Roland Barthes' death of the author? Seems spot on to me! Twitter and Facebook have ended the hegemony of the narrative and replaced it with a billion people all shouting at once. We end up with emergent and algorithmic storytelling that is truly not created by any single author.

Jean Baudrillard's Hyper reality? Memes are a great example. The original context is so far gone that all we're left with is an endless procession of signs and signifiers and the next page on /r/AnimalAdvice.

Marshall McLuhan's medium is the message? Artists of all kinds suffer as their creations are digitized and removed from the economy while the entities that own the digital faucets at Google and Apple make record profits.

None of these guys are very easy to read, I'll admit that, but there are some amazing insights especially when you consider they were writing this stuff 30-50 years ago.

12y agoHN ↗

That is absolutely correct.

A lot of non-European people complain that they are indiciferable or garbage just because they are not accustomed to their language and cultural references, which is not totally unlike Blub programmer complaining about the difficult LISP or Haskell concepts.

That and the anglo-saxon mentality on philosophy is radically different (not necessarily better, as its proponents claim).

(As for stuff like the Sokal affair, nobody batted an eye or called CS, physics, biology etc "bullshit" when when tons of Markov-chain generated "papers" were published in hard science peer-reviewed journals -- here's one such incident for reference: http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120... ).

12y agoHN ↗

Nothing post-modern about Adorno or Benjamin. In fact the latter commited suicide (to not be caught by the nazis), 20+ years before the postmodern genre even came into prominense.

12y agoHN ↗

Technology conspires with populism to create an ideologically vacant dictatorship of likes.

Hah! Imagine telling a developer at Twitter that they were conspiring to create a vacant vacuous idiot society! Imagine meeting someone at a bar and when they said they worked at Facebook letting them know that they were making the world a worse place!

12y agoHN ↗

They don't have to "conspire", they can just do it blindly.

12y agoHN ↗

Their minatory titles, filled with dark talk of “Negative Dialectics” and “One-Dimensional Man,” were once proudly displayed on college-dorm shelves, as markers of seriousness; now they are probably consigned to taped-up boxes in garages, if they have not been discarded altogether.

Yeah, culture is not what it used to be, and even highly educated people read less and read less substancial works when they do read.

Nothing to do with the inherent quality of Benhjamin or Adorno's work.