This got to be the extinguish phase from the EEE Microsoft playbook. Prior acquisition, Github was very liked and very focus, then Microsoft happened in their embrace phase, telling us EEE was something of the past. While trying to show good faith they extended the platform and this is now the very last phase
I don't believe this is true of the past, but it'd be quite the twist if the extinguish phase was really just pure incompetence this whole time. It certainly seems that way right now with GitHub.
Presumably you realize most current Microsoft employees were not even alive when the EEE memo was written.
Must we also talk about some decision Henry Ford made in 1906 every time the automaker is mentioned, or something the Gauls did in 200 BC every time England is mentioned?
You don't want to talk about it because either 1) you don't know it, or 2) you were downplaying it at the time, too.
The only time we talk about Henry Ford, unless it's about his anti-Semitism, is about decisions he made in 1906. If we go by your arbitrary standard, why would we talk about Henry Ford at all when we could talk about this year's Tesla model?
See also Netscape v2.0 and 3.0, which were badass browsers back in 1996, but are similarly irrelevant today.
Why are you talking about Netscape? What does that have to do with anything happening right now?
Calling this "severe" feels overblown. It's a UI mismatch likely caused by using multiple caches that are out of sync. I feel like every engineer on this site has encountered this exact bug at one point or another. It's an easy one to run into, especially in bigger orgs.
There's tonnes of UI bugs. A more severe one I've experienced is that my approved PRs have been shown as still waiting on review, leading some of them to be delayed by weeks.
Dirty reads is a classic symptom of scaling poorly. Eventually consistent database writes are fine, but it's a bad look if a user takes an action and then doesn't see the results of their action.
Similar to how every description of relaxed consistency for CPUs starts out by pointing out your own reads always observe your own writes in program order, as if to say, "don't worry, we're not insane."
The fact that there's so much indirection between what happens in the registers and memory in the machine, the underlying reality being modeled by software, and the information displayed semantically to the users, is a travesty.
Software could be so much simpler and more reliable. There's so much bloat that is necessary to solve problems created by bloat. I hope we find our way out of this mess sooner rather than later. I'd hate for entire generations to suffer the current state of software whereas the theoretical understanding necessary to make things better was produced very early in the history of programmable computers.
I think they struggle with two things
1) counting
"Since we forced our engineers to agentic workflows our efficiency doubled. Just look at the numbers!"
2) cache validation
3) off-by-one errors
There are solutions: https://xkcd.com/3062/
4) naming things
According to the documentation there are four things:
4) naming things
5) keeping the documentation up-to-date
This got to be the extinguish phase from the EEE Microsoft playbook. Prior acquisition, Github was very liked and very focus, then Microsoft happened in their embrace phase, telling us EEE was something of the past. While trying to show good faith they extended the platform and this is now the very last phase
Maybe, but does Team Foundation Server even exist anymore? What is the MS branded service that degrading GitHub is supposed to drive people to?
Copilot, of course. Helpfully, every Microslop product is named Copilot Something now. Take your pick.
I don't believe this is true of the past, but it'd be quite the twist if the extinguish phase was really just pure incompetence this whole time. It certainly seems that way right now with GitHub.
My god what an ancient trope.
Presumably you realize most current Microsoft employees were not even alive when the EEE memo was written.
Must we also talk about some decision Henry Ford made in 1906 every time the automaker is mentioned, or something the Gauls did in 200 BC every time England is mentioned?
You don't want to talk about it because either 1) you don't know it, or 2) you were downplaying it at the time, too.
The only time we talk about Henry Ford, unless it's about his anti-Semitism, is about decisions he made in 1906. If we go by your arbitrary standard, why would we talk about Henry Ford at all when we could talk about this year's Tesla model?
Why are you talking about Netscape? What does that have to do with anything happening right now?
Calling this "severe" feels overblown. It's a UI mismatch likely caused by using multiple caches that are out of sync. I feel like every engineer on this site has encountered this exact bug at one point or another. It's an easy one to run into, especially in bigger orgs.
The second screenshot with “1 3 Next” seems pretty hard to justify.
Taking care that such incongruent representations can’t happen even in the face of inconsistent backend caches is part of proper UI state management.
Yes but in the case of GH, it also happens in cases where the data is old: not just a temporary drift.
There's tonnes of UI bugs. A more severe one I've experienced is that my approved PRs have been shown as still waiting on review, leading some of them to be delayed by weeks.
I'm partial to the one where the workflow completes but the its summary on the PR does not get updated, so it appears to be running.
How many companies engender taste in bugs, eh??
Dirty reads is a classic symptom of scaling poorly. Eventually consistent database writes are fine, but it's a bad look if a user takes an action and then doesn't see the results of their action.
Similar to how every description of relaxed consistency for CPUs starts out by pointing out your own reads always observe your own writes in program order, as if to say, "don't worry, we're not insane."
The fact that there's so much indirection between what happens in the registers and memory in the machine, the underlying reality being modeled by software, and the information displayed semantically to the users, is a travesty.
Software could be so much simpler and more reliable. There's so much bloat that is necessary to solve problems created by bloat. I hope we find our way out of this mess sooner rather than later. I'd hate for entire generations to suffer the current state of software whereas the theoretical understanding necessary to make things better was produced very early in the history of programmable computers.
Some of the oldest PRs could no longer be found.
For example, when I decided to continue my eight-year-old PR https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/pull/104948, I couldn't see it - neither in search nor while navigating through pages.
Direct links still work.
rails + russian doll style caching + large engineering team + azure as a platform = recipe for this exact problem.
Press "Next"
My phone consistently says that I have one more update than they'll actually let me download... what that one phantom app is, I'll never know...
CIA Information Services.
Microsoft. That's the answer. Microsoft is happening over there.
AI will solve this
I have an insight alright. Microsoft took it over.