I want to take this seriously, but eight (slop?) rehash of the story on the blog isn’t helping with credibility. Pro tip: don’t do that, however triggered you are, it definitely doesn’t help.
I don’t use Google AI Studio so can’t verify, good luck.
Kudos to the author for not being so bitter and jaded, like me, and reporting this thinking some change might come.
I have mostly resigned myself to watching in unsurprised disgust as tech companies (aided by oodles of HN users who work there!) ruin everything they touch with legal impunity.
Anybody who has ever run a website with customer data can instantly understand why they do it this way. I don't see any malice.
It's simple, really. You have a website where people can upload their cat photos. There's a delete button. People click the delete button, read the "This will really Delete your Thing. It's Permanent. You CAN'T GET IT BACK!" warning, and click the confirm button.
Then you get an angry email (and twitter post, and blog entry, and Reddit mob) saying "I can't believe you deleted my photo without asking. That was my favorite cat photo it was my only copy I'LL SUE YOU!@!!"
So you go into your console and flip the .isActive bit back to 1 on that photo, send off your stock apology, and get on with your day.
To run your business any other way is madness. You're not training or selling or otherwise misusing that cat photo. You just don't want to deal with that hassle every day. So you "delete" things by moving them someplace where they're not public anymore.
This cannot be an excuse. The data is clearly used for AI training. If that were actually the case, they would state the truth on the UI buttons instead of lying, and they wouldn't have banned me from VRP either.
They lie constantly and they do not comply with the law. I have been writing to them for almost a year, and not a single human has ever replied to me—even their DPO is just an automated script!
No, sorry. Promising to permanently delete data without doing it is the madness and should be illegal if it's not already. Hide the permeantly delete for privacy just a bit further and offer a soft delete to the user then for the normal case.
Exactly! This is my problem too, because they are lying. Promising to permanently delete data without actually doing it is insane, and it should be illegal if it isn't already. Hide the permanent deletion a bit more for privacy reasons, and normally offer a soft delete to the user. But they are just lying!
I want to take this seriously, but eight (slop?) rehash of the story on the blog isn’t helping with credibility. Pro tip: don’t do that, however triggered you are, it definitely doesn’t help.
I don’t use Google AI Studio so can’t verify, good luck.
thx!!!!!
Kudos to the author for not being so bitter and jaded, like me, and reporting this thinking some change might come.
I have mostly resigned myself to watching in unsurprised disgust as tech companies (aided by oodles of HN users who work there!) ruin everything they touch with legal impunity.
thx
Anybody who has ever run a website with customer data can instantly understand why they do it this way. I don't see any malice.
It's simple, really. You have a website where people can upload their cat photos. There's a delete button. People click the delete button, read the "This will really Delete your Thing. It's Permanent. You CAN'T GET IT BACK!" warning, and click the confirm button.
Then you get an angry email (and twitter post, and blog entry, and Reddit mob) saying "I can't believe you deleted my photo without asking. That was my favorite cat photo it was my only copy I'LL SUE YOU!@!!"
So you go into your console and flip the .isActive bit back to 1 on that photo, send off your stock apology, and get on with your day.
To run your business any other way is madness. You're not training or selling or otherwise misusing that cat photo. You just don't want to deal with that hassle every day. So you "delete" things by moving them someplace where they're not public anymore.
It's just what you do...
This cannot be an excuse. The data is clearly used for AI training. If that were actually the case, they would state the truth on the UI buttons instead of lying, and they wouldn't have banned me from VRP either. They lie constantly and they do not comply with the law. I have been writing to them for almost a year, and not a single human has ever replied to me—even their DPO is just an automated script!
No, sorry. Promising to permanently delete data without doing it is the madness and should be illegal if it's not already. Hide the permeantly delete for privacy just a bit further and offer a soft delete to the user then for the normal case.
Exactly! This is my problem too, because they are lying. Promising to permanently delete data without actually doing it is insane, and it should be illegal if it isn't already. Hide the permanent deletion a bit more for privacy reasons, and normally offer a soft delete to the user. But they are just lying!
I don't like your comment because it's nonsense, but I'll upvote it so you get a point. :)
Oh yeah, poor corporations, getting sued(!!) for deleting data after being asked by the user to delete it.
Beautifully crafted ragebait :D
Look at these archives here, they even banned me from their official forum, but I saved hundreds of my posts. Look at this: https://archive.ph/https://discuss.ai.google.dev/* and this: https://archive.org/details/@gy_rgy_ist_kovics/web-archive and this: https://archive.org/details/@gabor_gabor_freemail_hu/web-arc... and this: https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscuss.a...