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macOS 27: Workaround to avoid downloading AI models and save storage

96 pointsby 2h agoreddit.com
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2h agoHN ↗

This type of stuff gives me PTSD flashbacks from trying timo de-crapify Windows.

1h agoHN ↗

I am tired to fight against every platform that I have to use

De macify Mac Degoogle Android Demacify ipad DeLLM chrome browsers local llm

Can we expect sane decisions from corpos about what we want rather than what latest thing they want to push on us?

1h agoHN ↗

Apple says their users make 2.5B Siri requests per day. Sounds like people want it?

1h agoHN ↗

Even though I do use it, a choice would be nice.

1h agoHN ↗

i wonder how many of them are like 100% of my requests?

- "set a timer for 14 minutes"

- "remind me to make a doctor's appointment tomorrow at noon"

- "turn off the bedroom lights"

that don't require any form of AI and have functioned perfectly well (aside from having a hard time when i mumble) for years on non-AI versions of Siri?

1h agoHN ↗

I suspect even some of the more "advanced" queries they demoed off, i.e., "what was that restaurant John and I talked about last week?" also not require LLMs whatsoever and could have been accomplished with a simple search.

42m agoHN ↗

I think you're going to need some kind of ML to turn that question into a structured search, and interpret the results.

11m agoHN ↗

Not necessarily. NLP is possible to do without any ML. See ELIZA [0] as an example, which used pattern matching and substitution to process natural language. A few simple rules can cover a majority of requests. It's still AI, but not ML.

Though I do agree that the ML-based NLP thst we have today is much more usable, albeit more compute-expensive.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA

1h agoHN ↗

This matches my use cases. Poor speech to text recognition so I don't trust siri to do anything non-trivial

1h agoHN ↗

Do they have a breakdown for platforms? iOS vs. macOS, I'd bet most of it is iOS.

I don't have Siri enabled, I've never felt the need for it on desktop.

1h agoHN ↗

How many apple devices exist globally?

Does everyone use siri? How about keeping it opt-in?

27m agoHN ↗

I dont even have Siri enabled, but even less so on macOS.

15m agoHN ↗

If you have a car you are forced to because you can’t use Apple Car Play if you don’t enable Siri.

I also don’t use but I have to have it enabled to be able to use Google Maps, and Siri occasionally mistakes a conversation for being invited to listen and speak.

22m agoHN ↗

2.5B Siri requests per day

that's like one request per day per user lolol

8m agoHN ↗

I get forced to use it While using CarPlay. I don't particularly want it, though, considering it still regularly fails at basic tasks like adding the currently playing song to a playlist.

1h agoHN ↗

You don't need to. Use the alternatives.

49m agoHN ↗

One arguably don’t even need KDE any more; the coding models will throw together a perfectly adequate desktop environment.

16m agoHN ↗

Why should one use something adequate when something amazing exists?

12m agoHN ↗

Not sure what the point of this would be? Devalued street creds for running something nobody else does? Who cares?

42m agoHN ↗

no. buy a linux compatible laptop and deal with the UX downgrade.

1h agoHN ↗

Yeah, I’ll wait to update my computers until Apple gives us an actual choice.

44m agoHN ↗

Time to permanently offboard from Apple ecosystem then

34m agoHN ↗

Perhaps eventually. I know I’m in a “closed ecosystem,” and that removes a fair bit of choice in a variety of places. But Apple is known to walk bad decisions back at times. This update is an example, with liquid glass. Another recent one was the iCloud private email planned domain change being scrapped.

20m agoHN ↗

macOS 27 is way faster and more stable than macOS 26 though, so unless you are on an ancient version it doesn't make sense to not upgrade.

13m agoHN ↗

I've hit some really weird window/workspace UI bugs so far in MacOS27. It's not no-brainer update yet, IMO.

13m agoHN ↗

why is a local model any different than any other file they want to install with their os?

1h agoHN ↗

Off topic. Since old.reddit is now login walled - is there an alternative frontend?

4m agoHN ↗

Apple intelligence is listed as 29 GB in the Storage settings. Which should be the amount of space you get back.

MacOS 27 is also diffrent in that it does still downloads the data for EU users and removes or hides options in menues to dissable functionality. This means users lose the said space when upgrading to 27.

16m agoHN ↗

without a reddit account:

... can you also force Siri off by using Screen Time controls? I noticed that in the Screen Time menus, "Content and Privacy" restrictions can be toggled on. From there seems to be an additional "Siri" menu that lets me change the allowed Siri version from Siri Classic to Siri AI as well as options to turn off the global writing tools/assistance (which turns off the annoying Siri bubble on every textbox now).

I suspect forcing Siri off via those controls would work easier than using Low Data Mode or trying to force Siri to disable via language selection.

4m agoHN ↗

I'll say they definitely need to let people disable/offload the model, but if you haven't tried the new Siri, it's been great. Obviously it's not a state of the art LLM, but it's good enough, and the fact that it can search and take actions on your local data makes it incredibly useful. I definitely use it more on my iPhone where it's slower to get things done the traditional way, but I use it all the time now.

"What was the quote for my insurance claim?" - it'll look through your emails and pull the number with the source email so you can jump right to it.

The other day I asked "when did I arrive and leave Mexico City on my trip at the end of 2024?" and it nailed it based off my flight receipt.

Since learning Spanish I get a lot more Spanish stuff in my feeds, and if I e.g. don't understand a meme I'll just ask "explain the joke here" and it reads the screen and explains it.

You can have an article open in Safari and say "remind me to read this tonight" and it'll make a reminder with the link. Or you can modify reminders - "move my reminder to get groceries to tomorrow at the same time". Yesterday I told it to make me a reminder and it did, but I worded it in a clunky way so I followed it with "reword that to sound more natural" and it did it.

We've been trained for a long time to think Siri can't do anything but I urge you to try it once you're on the new one, it's quite good. And I'm sure I've barely touched all the things it can do. David Pogue published a pretty thorough test other day:

https://pogueman.substack.com/p/125-tests-of-the-new-ai-siri