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Transit rewards (Waymo pays you to take the train)

28 pointsby 1h agowaymo.com
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30m agoHN ↗

Meanwhile, the 47 Muni bus that connects the Van Ness transit corridor to Caltrain has been “suspended” since 2020, and the extension of Caltrain to the transit center is still unfunded.

I appreciate solutions that meet us where we are, but it’s depressing that we don’t seem to actually have the will to make a sustainable, integrated mass transit plan.

23m agoHN ↗

In the Bay Area it's easier to create AGI than reliable, consistent, clean public transit.

14m agoHN ↗

The reason there's not more public transit is because the economics are terrible. Looking at the financials:

  Cost per passenger trip:
    BART: $840M / 52.7M trips = $15.94 
    SF Muni: $1.13B / 160M trips = $7.06
    Caltrain: $225M / 9.1M trips = $24.73

  Passenger Fare collected per trip:
    BART: $244M / 52.7M trips = $4.63
    SF Muni: $111M / 160M trips = $0.69
    Caltrain: $58.7M / 9.1M trips = $6.45

  Subsidy per trip:
    BART: $11.31
    SF Muni: $6.37
    Caltrain: $18.27

Every single ride requires a $6 to $18 subsidy, paid for by tax dollars.

9m agoHN ↗

Are you factoring in fixed costs to that estimate? That may be partially misleading if so.

2m agoHN ↗

How is it misleading? Taking the total cost to operate and dividing by the number of rides tells you what it costs per ride.

3m agoHN ↗

But the Bay Area’s highway networks are at saturation during peak hours. 101 and 280 are at least as bad as before the pandemic.

We have under-utilized transit corridors that could alleviate much of this strain if they weren’t so damn far away from where the people sitting in traffic want to go.

26m agoHN ↗

Waymo pays you $2.85 in Waymo credit to take the train

(Waymo takes $2.85 off your next ride if you take the train)

I live in East Bay, and I often take gratuitous Waymo trips all the way across the city to Embarcadero Station to ride BART back home. I do this because I like seeing the pretty skyscrapers and the bustling city and the pretty townhomes painted interesting colors. They may want to rethink their reward structure a bit to avoid paying out to people like me.

16m agoHN ↗

A trick I learned from an east bay friend is that (when possible) the bus across the bridge is way nicer than the BART under the bay, especially around sunset.

15m agoHN ↗

I never considered that. But if you dont have to be anywhere else why not.

16m agoHN ↗

I would really like a full door to door with one payment. Put in the destination, one price and get a Waymo on each end. React as best as possible to delays, etc.

14m agoHN ↗

Ugh, looks like this only works if you pay for the Waymo with a Visa card, and also use that same Visa card to pay for transit. I don't use a credit card for transit in SF; I use my Clipper transit card.

I get that integrating with the Clipper system is a lot more difficult, but... c'mon.