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I know that speech protections are not exactly maximalist in Canada, but surely this can't be compatible with the charter?
apparently it can be
the other part about canada is that quebec didnt sign on to the canadian constitution, so its only the quebec charter, which is a law like any other
now thats news to me, I need to look into that
is there appeals to national courts there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and...
Canada only enforces the parts of its Charter the current government feels like, and actively does the opposite of its Charter when the current government feels like it.
I predict this will go badly. I would not describe the good people of Montreal as a "compliant" lot. You can't legislate respect.
Assault was already illegal. So, this is to also ban calling the police names?
Already illegal: "I'm going to kick your ass" Now illegal: "You're a poopy head"
all jobs deserve dignity.
how would you feel if ppl called you that at work.
When you have masked ICE agents abducting people on the streets and making them disappear, dignity is long, long gone.
what do montreal municipal employees have to do with ice.
You're aware that Canada is not a state of the US, right?
(This should be a sign that you need to turn off the TV and delete Facebook).
So why are insults permitted against other professions?
No, they do not.
There are many people who deserve to feel ashamed for what they do for a living.
A lot of people should be shunned for what they do to others, regardless of whether it's for making money or for other purposes.
We should not criminalize speech because it makes somebody sad.
Pigs are pigs the world around.
They only defend monied interests of the political elite and rich folk. And yet they demand 'authority', even when not at all deserved.
Unpopular distraction, elections are Oct 5th
I think these are the key sentences in that article (below). This bylaw is probably targeted toward citizens that come in and berate staff because they find out they have an unpaid parking ticket from 2 years ago that they have to pay before renewing their license (for example).
That's how the (evil) people who support it will construe it. In reality that kind of stuff doesn't really bother employees all that much because it's just part of the job, they knew it going in and everyone agrees those sort of people are out of line.
What bothers employees is when they get heckled for doing (in the course of their job) stuff that just about everyone agrees is wrong, bad, stupid or heavy handed, because most of those employees know deep down they're in the wrong, and having it pointed out and having enough of the public agree with the hecklers in message if not in delivery is a real morale killer. And then your burnt out employees stop giving a shit, do a bad job, get caught on camera enforcing the "you had to lie through your teeth to defend it to begin with" policy in a way that lays bare how f-d up it is. And that's what they're trying to avoid by threatening to fine any peasant who opens their mouth.
Yup. It’s symptomatic of poor governance. Government services not working as good as they should and of course people are pissed. To be frank, the government employees are divas and aren’t effective.
You will find the same behavior across so many different government services — a culture of not taking charge, or like committee thinking. Nothing gets done.
There’s a reason people are pissed.
Idk what the solution is, my brain goes to automated government services, maybe something like Singapore, Jakarta, KL. People are way happier there for a reason, you won’t need a bylaw to stop people from cussing at government employees lol
I don't think it's even that the service that is delivered is unsatisfactory. I think it's that what the government is engaged in actively runs counter to what the people broadly want.
I'm predicting the police will use it to stifle any kind of criticism.
Like: police officer does something racist. Person says "hey, you're racist!". Police officer then gives a $1000 fine to the person for insulting them
Hostie d'tabarnak, flic.
This kind of thing is concerning, but I think there is a place for rules like this.
You already see this in many public businesses. Front line workers should not have to endure abuse from the public.
But, the standard for sworn officers should be much higher.
Abusing employees in a business is already banned. Harassment by verbal abuse and you can get criminal penalties if it's serious enough. Threats and false allegations are also illegal. There are existing laws for all the serious cases.
Criminalizing an insult is not the same thing at all. This law could get people fined for saying some cop is racist or even things not aimed at a specific person like wearing a fuck the police shirt. And insults are subjective so it's all up to the prosecutor and judge, who might side with the police by default when the evidence is unclear.
Is there an extra harsh punishment, if the insults aren't in French?
For context, police gained support for this bylaw following this video. The guy posted the video of himself of calling an office a whore on socia media. The fact the officer was so polite and couldn't do anything about it made people furious. Of course, there is real risk of abuse of this law but that's the context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9YMLpiDPWs
Something similar was attempted in Houston in the 1980s and the US Supreme Court struck it down as a clear 1st amendment violation [1]
[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/482/451
I'm pro people having dignity in their jobs, but considering how unnecessarily complex and sometimes even hostile modern bureaucracy is this is going to remove one feedback mechanism that may have been globally good.