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Git-bug: Distributed, offline-first bug tracker embedded in Git

166 pointsby 5h agogithub.com
46 comments
4h agoHN ↗

Looks like GitHub issue tracker is embedded in git itself. Interesting!

2h agoHN ↗

Who knows how many things GitHub does are actually embedded into git itself :)

4h agoHN ↗

Someone is taking lessons from fossil-scm.

Looks great by the way.

3h agoHN ↗

Looks really nice, I wonder why there hasn't been a project with this exact name and functionality before. When I think about it, "git bug" is quite limiting (the bug vs. feature discussion).

Naming things is hard, but I can see that it might feel unnatural to use "git bug" to track features. Maybe that's totally okay because it does one thing - tracking bugs - very well, and the whole feature roadmap is living in another system/process anyways?

3h agoHN ↗

Their logo is a ladybug so everything works out in the end.

3h agoHN ↗

Isn't everything nowadays a bug?

Only once it gets fixed does it become a feature.

;)

3h agoHN ↗

Although if it doesn't get fixed, it also sometimes becomes a feature.

3h agoHN ↗

Bugzilla has been using the term "bug" to track features for nearly 3 decades now. Doesn't seem to hamper them.

37m agoHN ↗

There’s also Fogbugz, Mantis Bug Tracker, etc.

2h agoHN ↗

I do want to extend to pull-request and more, so I'll need to at least make space in the CLI commands. Having a "git bug bug" next to a "git bug pr" is quite ugly.

Naming is hard, but I mostly didn't expect to reach that point :-)

2h agoHN ↗

Don't overthink it! `git bug bug` is fine - it's easy to type and becomes muscle memory quickly. Love the project, my first impression is "why hasn't this existed the entire time?" which usually means you're on to something.

1h agoHN ↗

Lack of a feature is a bug. After all, it's intended functionality that doesn't work!

It's also a denial of service, since the feature doesn't work yet, and thus should get assigned a CVE.

2h agoHN ↗

A quick checks shows that it seems so, last month. No answer to the RFC yet, though.

3h agoHN ↗

excellent! will definitely give this a try

3h agoHN ↗

A few months ago there was another of these posted, called Epiq: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48155570

My comment on there is about a surge in popularity of these over a decade ago, with a link to a previous comment about problems I remember them having that prevented them from being usable for most people ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47956979 ), because of their intended design rather than an implementation issue. For example bullet 3 was a problem in one, that another tried to solve with bullet 2.

I don't have time right now to look at this one to guess if these apply, but might be interesting/useful for someone else.

3h agoHN ↗

Other than the first bullet point in your list[1], my contribution in this regard addresses everything else.

Don't have a link handy but it's on github called "rotsit" (revenge of the something issue Tracker).

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[1] That's the entire point of having the issue tied to a branch: if an issue is marked resolved in the branch you are looking at, then its resolved in the branch you are looking at. Storing the issues independent of branch means you need to also store extra metadat about which branch it is broken on.

20m agoHN ↗

The issue there was collaboration, one person would be on master and see no hint that a case was already being worked on (status, comments, etc all being different until the branch was merged). The other bullets, that put the information in different locations, were attempts to deal with this.

1h agoHN ↗

Hits hard.

I looked into them. Most of them use some CRDT-ish machinery to merge concurrent ticket changes. (Fixing merge conflicts in tickets would be too disappointing.) As a CRDT person, I noticed that implementing CRDT merges in git itself mostly makes that machinery unnecessary. Then you can keep your tickets in plain Markdown, having CRDT merges for both code and metadata. I have it working here btw

https://replicated.live/blog/meta

54m agoHN ↗

Well written blog post! I enjoyed reading it.

32m agoHN ↗

No mention of Fossil, which works great and proves that the difficulty is in gathering dev interest.

It may be that the presence of Fossil as a mature option is enough to dissuade people from choosing/working on alternatives. I’m pleased to see git-bug slowly making progress though, maybe it will get there in time.

3h agoHN ↗

Hi, author here, nice to see some interest :-)

FYI, this is my near-term roadmap:

  - have the webui accept external auth (like github oauth) so that it can be a public portal and accept external interactions
  - have the webui expose a git remote endpoint
  - slightly rework identities (and likely root them in did:plc for pubkey distribution, the identity system from bluesky, without being an ATProto thing), which would allow to share identities between repos way more naturally
  - extend to support pull-requests, possibly CI. That would make it a somewhat complete local-first forge that you can also self-host trivially

Also, while there is some attention ... I'm considering working on this full time. If you have some advice or opportunities on how I can support myself doing this, let me know!

2h agoHN ↗

First of all: Huge respect for getting something out the door, looks really useful.

I'm considering working on this full time. If you have some advice or opportunities on how I can support myself doing this, let me know!

You could consider an "enterprise" tier with a special subset of features and guaranteed support. But my experience tells me this will be really hard to substantially monetize, as the customer profile for that solution is probably not spending on software until they really need to (the saying goes: selling to developers is impossible, you need to sell to their boss). Maybe a donation model or a creator-centric thing could work out!

35m agoHN ↗

Yeah I agree that monetization seems hard here. But one niche that might work - tons of people are using LLMs to build out side projects and keeping tickets in the same repo as the project could be really frictionless for LLMs to reach for without an MCP server.

Don't sell to developers for their day jobs, but sell to developers for their hobbies.

2h agoHN ↗

Any thoughts to making this integrate alongside other systems that use git metadata to track changes?

I'm thinking mostly of Gerrit, which keeps the entire code review and change history in git as well.

Being able to keep literally everything in the same git repo seems highly appealing.

1h agoHN ↗

- have the webui accept external auth (like github oauth) so that it can be a public portal and accept external interactions

Have you looked into ForgeFed? It's a WIP plan for different Forgejo based forges to federate with each other. https://forgefed.org/

There's also this: https://indieauth.net/ though I haven't looked into it. I hope you could integrate one of these into your planned OAuth/account system!

8m agoHN ↗

It's deeply interesting to me that you decided to override git conflict-resolution (at least in the 90% of cases) in favor of CRDT conflict-resolution. That sort of decision is not uncommon but I was just kinda wondering -- did the CRDT idea come first or did you try a plain-text format for storing the bugs and you ran into certain common workflows where that wasn't ergonomic? (My first guess would maybe just be appending comments to the ticket -- so like if a ticket is a TOML file, you both append a comment at the end, Git immediately screams about what order should those two comments be in -- instead to make that ergonomic within Git's limitations you have to like, represent the comments as a directory tree with no inherent order and UUIDv4 names, and then Git will say "oh you both put blobs in that tree? that's fine. no conflicts," and then you have to order them by (declared-time, UUID) on the client side.)

What's not quite so clear from what I'm skimming is what you did to alleviate Git's postmodernism. What I mean is, Git just holds a bunch of refs like tags and branches and they all deliberately, inherently have equal valence -- this comes from the history of Linux being developed on an email list, there literally is not "one Linux", there is no truth about "what is the Linux v6.18 kernel" but rather there is a big family of v6.18 Linux kernels and anyone who wants to spin up a new one can literally just grab an existing v6.18 kernel and write a patch and bam, you have a new one. It's the blind sages and the elephant, every sage is correct about what the software is, within their limited ability to perceive what the software does. And this like perennially causes problems, right, people use Git for a modernist thing like CI/CD where at most companies "what's running in prod?" is one of those questions that we don't like to say "well it depends on your perspective, there is no one truth..."

Sorry for the long explainer -- I'm just aware that this is a very idiosyncratic way of phrasing the D in DVCS. But it's like, in concrete terms, do you have clients force themselves to declare a certain repo as their origin, and a certain ref on origin is the blessed Git-Bug ref that they have to push from and pull to? And like the add-on that you've crafted just doesn't let you branch the ticket list and all of that? Or -- the opposite -- do you go all-in on the postmodernism and say "no whether some strange-looking functionality is a 'bug', that is a fact that needs to be added to the holistic perspective of the project, and whether that bug is deemed fixed is a similar fact that, like, if you say you fixed the bug in `dev` it might still be not fixed in `uat` or `prod` -- so the bugs need to be stored in the repo that you're versioning anyways. And we use these CRDTs to give you a bird's eye consistent view of a Bunch of repos and all of their current statuses and all that." Or do you take a third direction that's neither purely modernist "this is the truth" nor purely postmodernist "every branch is true".

2h agoHN ↗

To me, tickets need to be too broadly accessible for anything like this to be viable. Any barrier to entry to creating tickets means people aren’t filing them. Every role at every level looks at them and edits them.

Yeah yeah we don’t want a centralized service, but it’s the ideal use case for a centralized service.

2h agoHN ↗

I agree. I'll have soon-ish the webui accept OAuth/OIDC, so you can easily host and replicate a normal bug tracker experience... yet still benefit from the other workflows that a normal forge can't have.

That's the key feature to make a distributed bug tracker actually work in practice.

36m agoHN ↗

Wouldn't it require constantly pushing/fetching? Or would it effectively be like a hosted thing with a service layer on top of git showing a live view of the repo's tickets? Like github but for tickets... oh wait...

2h agoHN ↗

"you only need your git repository to have a bug tracker"

What if my git repo doesn't have a bug tracker?

1h agoHN ↗

This is a really cool project, and I would love to see Magit add support for this. I do have one constructive criticism though, take it or leave it.

I would not say git-bug is "embedded" in Git. It follows Git's command naming convention, so it is resolved by the Git cli if it is found on $PATH. I would say that git-bug integrates with git's workflow and uses git's storage. I think it would be less confusing if the claim were: git-bug is fully integrated with Git, or something similar to that. To say that it is "embedded" implies that the binary is loaded through a plugin or extension mechanism more directly than a command-convention lookup.

1h agoHN ↗

I considered using something like this, but instead I implemented my own basic JSONL issue tracker, and I keep the issue files in an `issues` branch in Git. This separation of concerns allows simpler design and gives more flexibility (if I want to change either git or the issue tracker, or go without Git altogether, they're not tied together).

Over the years I've noticed that "merging two designs into one" is a design smell. Nearly every technology we still use today has a very clear separation from other technologies, and is instead layered or composed to gain added functionality.

15m agoHN ↗

Isn't "show stopper" a bit dramatic? What is the big problem with an SSH agent? If security is a problem you should probably store your SSH keys on a HSM like a Nitrokey or Yubikey. In which case you need an agent.

31m agoHN ↗

I don't quite get the problem this tries to solve.

I'm not quite sure that the bug list is the integral part of the source code. And there are dedicated systems that work just fine.

And if I really feel like tagging bug tracker along with my code, I could use any of those systems as long as they support file based databases, like sqlite, or simply static text files for that matter.

23m agoHN ↗

There is a certain appeal to not depending on more tools, and there is something elegant about the bug list traveling with revisions, if they are closed when the bug is fixed. So at any point you could go backwards and see known bugs at the time.

This also applies to certain project management flows and statuses.