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Alan Kay: Shannon gave us a way of dealing with noisy channels [video]

37 pointsby 52m agoyoutube.com
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The following explanation is taken from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49622607:

Alan Kay performs an improvisational avant garde layered audio feedback loop about Claude Shannon, live online during Kristen Nygaard's 100-year birthday celebration.

Alan was scheduled to talk about how encountering Simula sparked his early thoughts about objects. During setup, somebody had the live stream playing out loud near an open Zoom mic, so his own voice kept arriving back in his ears about 21 seconds late, over and over.

What he said was not random: "Shannon gave us a way of dealing with noisy channels." And: "I think about that almost every day. I realize what the fuck is going on and it's just so amazing." Shannon's noisy channel coding theorem is the math for exactly the kind of channel that was garbling him as he praised it.

Alan joked it was "being rerouted to Mars and back." At the speed of light, a 21 second round trip is about 3 million km one way -- eight trips to the Moon and back, not even a twentieth of the way to Mars at closest approach.

This is an accidental Zoom performance of Alvin Lucier's "I Am Sitting in a Room" (1969), where Lucier re-recorded his own voice in a room until only the room's resonance remained. Here what remains is the network: delay, compression, dropouts.

Bonus noise: YouTube's auto-transcript bleeps Alan's enthusiasm into [ __ ]. So the full chain is: Alan's voice, Zoom, stream, room, Zoom again times three, my screen recording, YouTube's speech recognizer, a censored transcript.

The fix: "Just turn off the audio at your end on Zoom."

This is an accidental Zoom performance of Alvin Lucier's "I Am Sitting in a Room" (1969), where Lucier re-recorded his own voice in a room until only the room's resonance remained. Here what remains is the network: delay, compression, dropouts.

Bonus noise: YouTube's auto-transcript bleeps Alan's enthusiasm into [ __ ]. So the full chain is: Alan's voice, Zoom, stream, room, Zoom again times three, my screen recording, YouTube's speech recognizer, a censored transcript.

The fix: "Just turn off the audio at your end on Zoom."

I Am Sitting in a Room: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Sitting_in_a_Room

Alvin Lucier on "I am sitting in a room": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9XJWBZBzq4

25m agoHN ↗

Can someone please explain to me what this is all about?

17m agoHN ↗

The word "performs" is certainly doing something in this sentence (whether it belongs there or not is another matter):

Alan Kay performs an improvisational avant garde layered audio feedback loop about Claude Shannon [...] What he said was not random

Hm, yeah, sure, that's it. That's exactly what's going on.

5m agoHN ↗

It would have been kind of great to see an OOP language with Alan's design, but with a better syntax. I dislike smalltalk syntax. Barely anyone uses smalltalk today.

Even then, we'd also have an OOP language to be really really fast. Otherwise people will just use C.

Java itself is too verbose and has a rather boring OOP model.