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I'm Tired of Being on the Network

48 pointsby 1h agomatduggan.com
41 comments
39m agoHN ↗

This is the overwhelming feeling of our time and yet we continue on this abysmal path. What will it take?

35m agoHN ↗

Addiction of something you have to use is the hardest to break.

29m agoHN ↗

It's like getting stress-relief from eating junk food and stress from resisting cravings.

35m agoHN ↗

The people who love being connected never let the thing leave them be it pocket, palm, face-down next to the fork

I'm tired of convincingly presented falsehoods. I hate being on my phone. I also can't stop being on my phone.

34m agoHN ↗

It's the same group of people that say being overweight is a lack of willpower.

30m agoHN ↗

Yeah, re eating, smoking etc it is a question of willpower in most cases. Ay least there's now a pill/injection for it.

15m agoHN ↗

Quite often it's really a question of gut flora and lack of knowledge regarding good eating habits.

Also fat cells are endocrinologically active, so they try to compel the person to, well, get fatter.

I've been doing this the hard way lately and there's still much that I don't know, because food and lifestyles used to be different, so my parents only told me what they knew from theirs.

To illustrate just how different, my great-grandmother reportedly disliked food that she described as "rich" - too calorie dense for her taste. By this definition cottage cheese was "rich".

13m agoHN ↗

I doubt it. I've never been overweight in my lifetime. I have never had to put any effort into that. I simply cannot relate at all to the food-related struggles I sometimes read about overweight people having. It would be silly and condescending of me to claim that I simply have more strength of will here than they do. On the other hand, I struggle heavily with some things many/most people do not, and this is often blamed as a personal failure and weakness of mine. So I wonder if it's just that people who don't have any similar struggles think they are just superior beings with superior willpower.

24m agoHN ↗

when reading personal blogs, it's best to assume any statement as a reflection of their experiences and world-bubble rather than as verified facts. This is a blog, not a technical doc. while your frustration may be well founded, it's also self inflicted to a degree, you're expecting the wrong thing from the wrong place.

7m agoHN ↗

While we're on the subject of gripes with the modern internet, the fact that most social media sites that publish to a single feed flatten reality into a single format. People then apply uniform judgement to content with wildly different purposes (and subconsciously people ascribe more purpose to posts that happen to rise up the frontpage, even when the blog in question was just some thought somebody threw out in ten minutes)

20m agoHN ↗

Like all addictions it's about habits and you compete with multiple trillion-dollar companies to shape your habits for you. Luckily, you are closer to where decisions are actually being made.

So the measures, in no particular order, but vaguely resemblign an escalation ladder:

1. Get a shittier phone. Something worth 100 eurobucks from aliexpress working on a slow mtk soc, outdated android and all that

2. Disable all notification forever, also incoming call ringtone with a voice mail saying you will return the call tomorrow

3. Get a landline or equivalent land-line like voip phone on a table in a hallway. With a voice mail of course.

4. Start leaving the phone at home when you go for a short walk or somewhere in a shop.

5. When you do take it with you outside, put it in a banana bag under the jacket instead of your pocket and then leave it in the bag when you get back home.

6. obviously remove all of the dopamine junkie apps.

7. don't look at the mail, chats, news, whatever is there before lunch, specifically don't let it be the first thing getting your attention in the morning.

8. doing a prayer 5 times a day and going to mosque or whatever you have to counter balance the influence of shaitain sitting your pocket for the last 10 years.

9. allowing yourself to use junkie apps for a dopamine hit when you actually need it but deciding the time and trigger yourself (separate phone with instagrahm turned off most of the time, only scrolling it while you are outside in the park in a nice setting after having a juicy piece of junk food, icecream or whatever, etc).

14m agoHN ↗

What is a "banana bag"? I only know it from the medical usage, and don't seem to be able to find anything about the phrase otherwise.

13m agoHN ↗

Get GrapheneOS. Install FOSS apps whenever possible, via Obtainium. Signal if need be. A RSS reader. No social networks. Get a Kagi subscription to ensure no ads and bias.

Voilà

7m agoHN ↗

That targets a different thing IMO. You can aim for privacy or you can aim for the thing being slow and irritating to use to disrupt the habit. If tech companies spend money to make their apps smooth to use, you can aim for the opposite and inject friction and reduce the amount of high you get from it and making it slower to reach so you can have a chance to take back the executive control over the task.

9m agoHN ↗

"outdated android and all that"

But then don't do anything money related with it or use any important account details.

5m agoHN ↗

Well, that's the point. The actual money-controlling phone could be sitting in the drawer power off until you need to do something.

This also prevents spending too much money on impulsive purchases and take-away thai food when you should know better.

32m agoHN ↗

the offline option exists the way the wheelchair ramp exists at certain train stations: installed after the fact, satisfying a regulation, pitched at an angle no wheelchair on earth can climb. We are all expected to pretend grandma can make it up, and to act only mildly surprised when we find her at the bottom again.

It's hyperbole like this that breaks the illusion for the post. I'm not an editor, but if you're trying to make a valid point you need one man. Stinkeroo.

27m agoHN ↗

I’m not sure what part of this seems like hyperbole to you.

20m agoHN ↗

I'm not going to play this dissection game only to later be "checkmated" by a bunch of nerds rambling about and dogpiling onto nothing who can't see the forest for the trees. It's also replies like yours that break the illusion HN isn't full of bots.

If you don't think this entire post is hyperbole, you can at least see that it's yet another blogspam ad for MiSTer, right?

3m agoHN ↗

It's interesting about MiSTer. It was wedged into the article so awkwardly and suddenly that it felt like a definite advert, but it mostly said it was shit and only get it if you like frustratingly broken systems. I still think it was a reverse psychology form of an ad

11m agoHN ↗

why make a point when the robot can spew out 1500 words of cliches and other nonsense

28m agoHN ↗

I have lived in a tech-rich life since I bought my first single board home system in around 1975.

I think it is as easy as setting boundaries: practice meditation. Learn to enjoy sitting and doing nothing, both in the living room and sitting outside.

Then when the time is right, work hard for several hours to get important stuff done.

Food tastes best when we are very hungry, so we must go long periods of time doing mini-fasting a few times a day in order to enjoy food. Similarly, earning a living or experimenting with tech should be something that you sit down and do for a while, then do something else.

27m agoHN ↗

This is why we sail the salty seas. right here. if someone needs an explanation.

26m agoHN ↗

It goes from complaining about endless pitches of tech to pitching a gaming console. The tech pitching is a problem, but the need to be constantly entertained and fed some content or game is the real problem. Those are pacifiers. You stuff them in an adults mouth to keep them from actually thinking about what would improve their own life. Take the pacifier out and use your brain for your needs - what you should want to do, to make of the world, to make exist. See what happens next…

17m agoHN ↗

I tuned out when it switched, also. How to move on when job is in front of screen?

24m agoHN ↗

Tech/phone addiction is real. But it will be years before anyone admits it.

19m agoHN ↗

If my phone demanded my attention as much as it seems the author's does with notifications, I'd probably not keep it with me either. I also feel tired of it, but it's difficult to remove access to the number of beneficial things I get from it. I try to limit non-FOSS apps and modify most of those to suit my purposes better, though that often feels like a lot of work done with the intent of saving work...

5m agoHN ↗

If you use those apps it is probably worth it, otherwise just delete them.

16m agoHN ↗

I recently switched to a used Minimal Phone (no longer being made sadly) and its been great for this. The best thing for me is to just make the phone completely unappealing to use, but still capable of essentials. A slow refresh rate eink screen helps a lot with that.

For the authors complaints about ads, I recommend paying for ad free versions of things you truly enjoy. Budgeting will mean you consume less and have fewer choices, but enjoy it more. And if something doesn't offer an ad free experience you can pay for, that's a great reason not to use it.

14m agoHN ↗

I’ve read so many posts like these on hn, but I just don’t relate to them. I have loved internet access since my first dial in to a BBS in the 90s. I’ve been cruising the information superhighway at top speed every day since. There is always something new to discover.

11m agoHN ↗

My solution to this is carrying two devices. One turned off iphone and a TCL flip 2. The flip phone runs android 11 so I can use signal to stay connected with international family, but for anything else it is useless other than calling, texting, and basic email

I long for the days of driving through the night with AM radio, where at least the ads were interesting.

AM radio sucked.

10m agoHN ↗

The author loved technology when it worked for him, now he toils in its service. Previously, it was additive, only giving and not taking; now it narrows options to only one: the app.

Obviously, we shouldn't let this happen. Keep paper tickets, physical menus, cash, etc. These things are human, made by and for humans. They make sense across the intelligence spectrum as they connect to us in the physicality of the real (which everyone understands).

Of course, the individual doesn't get to decide if all his government and city services app-ify themselves. What to do in that case? I guess this guy's chosen the path of minimal leashing: wearing the digital yoke as little as possible. That's just harm minimization though.

Perhaps it'll help someone to say this: It is possible to live without a smartphone. I do it. There's times when you can't use a service. QR codes are meaningless. You might occasionally be bored. I've always found an alternative or workaround to these issues. Yes, that's inconvenient sometimes (usually not though, surprisingly), but is that worse than being a slave to glass slab?

10m agoHN ↗

it was much easier when shitty nokias had functional google maps and wifi hotspots. still it is currently doable to rock a sub 100 dollar nokia day to day, with an equally shitty android at home for necessities. honestly its not even that hard ...

8m agoHN ↗

I’m Tired of Being on the Network

But I'll post about it on the network

8m agoHN ↗

Total tangent, but I really like the way this article is written; you can effectively read the first sentence of each paragraph, and it still conveys the same story in a coherent, summarized way.

4m agoHN ↗

Absolutely audacious to complain about being "forced" to install apps and in the next sentence complain about the Aliexpress app. Nobody forced you to install the aliexpress app. Nobody needs the aliexpress app.

Also people need to hate ads more. A single unwarranted notification will get me to disable all notifications or uninstall your app. If you don't hate ads enough, you'll find yourself being shown ads.

4m agoHN ↗

The emotions are relatable, but the examples are strange and don't back up his argument. It is true that there are many situations in modern life where a smartphone has become effectively mandatory.

But Ali Express is not one of those. It's very feasible to delete the app, or at least turn off the notifications. The quality of TV writing may have taken a nosedive but nobody is forcing you to watch TikTok Empire. If you long for the golden age of television, you can find disc versions of The Wire, Mad Men, The Sopranos etc. Often they're free to borrow at your local library. The App Store is indeed garbage, but I open it a handful of times per year and probably spend less than a minute to search for the app I want and install it.

The argument about losing control to devices would be much more effective if the examples weren't mainly cases where the user clearly has control.